Infernal Tramps

Horror doesn’t always arrive with fangs and fog. Sometimes it shows up as a mailman, a bank, a headline you wish you never clicked, or a “normal” family moment that suddenly turns into a nightmare. That’s the thread we pull on with indie horror author Alex Grass, who just released Infernal Tramps: Tales of Weird Terror, a short story collection packed with vignettes, novelettes, and surreal dread that escalates fast. We talk about how writers make the mundane feel sinister, why weird horror hits so hard, and how influences like Bentley Little prove that everyday life is already loaded with menace if you know where to look. 

We also go somewhere heavier: true crime, grief, and the strange magnetism of real testimony. We unpack why cases like Lindsay Clancy’s can feel impossible to look away from, how internet access turns strangers into obsessions, and why an “adult timeout” from social media can be the only sane move. Along the way, we connect horror storytelling to mental health, trauma, and that human urge to regain control by trying to understand the darkest edges of behavior. 

Then we zoom out into craft and career: short fiction vs novels, the surprise of who actually reads horror, the love-hate relationship with adaptations, and why a one-star review can be accidental marketing. Alex also shares what shifted in his own beliefs after digging through enough “weird” research, landing on a chilling truth that makes both horror fiction and real life feel sharper: there’s no perfect way to predict anyone, and almost anybody can do anything. 

If you like horror fiction, weird terror, true crime psychology, and conversations that don’t flinch, hit play. Subscribe, share this with a fellow horror fan, and leave a review so more listeners can find the strange.

Transcript

Welcome And A New Horror Book

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hello everyone, welcome back to Strange Strange Beyond Insane. This is your host, Melissa, and tonight I have another guest on our show that I'm excited to interview, and um I'll let him take the wheel and talk about how he got where he is today.

SPEAKER_03 0:21

Hi Melissa, my name's uh Alex Grass. I'm an independent horror author, and um I just released um a new book, a short story, it's called Fernal Tramps, Tales of Weird Terror. It's uh it's a collection that varies in length. I have some vignettes in there, which is you know, a thousand words or less, and some novelettes if you're closer to eight or nine thousand words, and all of the stories are very, very, very weird. Uh which is why I titled it that way. But it's sort of a ro I'll say this a rose or the adequate. Because uh I'd been writing short stories, um I had written novels, four of them. Um and I hadn't really ex you know tried writing short stories at all until like the last couple of years, but you know how you get uh interested in something and you just end up going down like a rabbit hole?

Making The Mundane Feel Sinister

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

Yeah, so I yeah, so I found this author, and uh he actually he writes he's written short stories, but primarily writes novels. It names Bentley Little, and I highly, highly, highly recommend. This author, he's a horror author, but the books are just he takes the mundane things in life and he makes them sinister. So to give you an idea of like the the tenor of his stories, he has one called the mailman, one called the store, one called the bank, one called the university. And you know, the it's a very meta way of naming the books, but it it was just like so twisted, and uh I think it pushed me in that direction of uh trying to find things that were, you know, sort of like the day-to-day stuff, but um that were disturbing. And there's so much of it, right? I mean, like they you know, you you just let look in the news and there's always something twisted happening.

SPEAKER_00 2:35

Oh yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

Just like um, I don't know if if you also follow um uh like I I'm a big fan of watching like Top Cam and CordCam.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

Oh my god, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

I can't get enough.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Yeah. And and you know, like for a long time I couldn't get into the real dark stuff, you know? Yeah. Um and sometimes, you know, like I still have trouble with it, but like uh I don't know. I mean, there is something I think that like in all of um all the things that we enjoy, I think we're also sort of needling it

True Crime Obsession And Lindsay Clancy

SPEAKER_03 3:20

like a question about the world.

unknown 3:22

You know?

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Whether it's it's whether we're interested in in the paranormal and who isn't, or whether we're interested in true crime and who isn't. I think like we're pursuing answers to the questions about the world. Because every time I watch uh, you know, like a new case, I watch this one. Have you heard of this? I think she's in California. Her name's Lindsay Clancy.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

Yeah, um I just did a podcast the other night on her, and there's one close to our house too that that kind of was the same thing that happened. But I'll tell you what, that that Lindsay Clancy, there are so many layers, like onion layers.

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

And it's like, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

I would just say it's just it's getting more and more bizarre.

SPEAKER_03 4:12

Yeah. And I just like it's so, you know, the the the dark moments of humanity, they're some of them are like they're the most human that we get. And what I mean by that is like I'm watching the testimony of the um the husband, you know, and uh he's he's uh he's on direct direct examination of the prosecutor. And I'm just like I'm just trying to imagine, and I'm also trying not to imagine what it would be like to be in this guy's shoes.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Oh you know? Awful.

SPEAKER_03 4:50

Okay, just yeah, just like what what is your life after that? Like what could, you know, I I have no idea what could your life be.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Can I I can I tell you something really quick? I don't know if you've seen this, I just seen it today, and I wish I would have known. I don't know if it just came out. He actually already got remarried. And yeah. But get this. He's married to a um like in vitro doctor.

unknown 5:20

Really?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

So that's what I'm saying. It is like so twisted. Like, it's just like, what? Like so you know he's gonna have babies again soon, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

I mean, I think there's something to that, and I think that like that's probably you know, I I I think that we probably look at it as being like, I don't know, there's lots of feelings of oh too soon, or oh you're moving too quickly, or but like I think it's also a very common way in the history of humanity to that like the way to handle a grief like that.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Absolutely. Good for him though, you know.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

I mean Yeah, absolutely. You know, I don't know. I I could I I don't I don't even want it to come out of my mouth, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Oh I know. I know, I know. It's like oh god, just watching him on that stand, like he looks so unhealthy and unwell. You know what I mean? It just you just feel so bad for the guy.

SPEAKER_03 6:23

Absolutely. You know, it's like it's a different kind of unwell, you know what I mean? It's it's kind of it's like almost radiating off of him, you know, like like like energy. It's like you can't put your finger on it, and it's just like, oh, this is what it looks like when somebody has their soul scooped out of them.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Well, and a lot of people are, you know, they're uh making their assumptions, and again, like you said, from their emotions, and they're like, Well, why did he leave her with uh blah blah well I mean i i a man goes to work and the woman's at home with these kids. I mean, there's a lot of routine things that probably could have been done in between, but a lot of times we don't know until we learn the hard way. And you know, it's kind of what life's about too, you know, you never really know what can happen.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

Yeah, it yeah, I mean, it's so outrageous also because it's so unexpected. So, like, who who who would ever expect a thing like this? You know, like he he was like the his answer seems so genuine. When he was asked on the stand, he's like, you know, like did you get to pay in anything? He's like, no, like never.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

I would never imagine he's telling the truth. I mean, I watch a lot of crime, lots of crime, like every crazy woman out there. Um, of course I watch I watch a lot of every anything weird, right? But I truly get the feeling that he is being very truthful, and I think he was completely blindsided by it, and he even had like made a remark, he said, I just thought we could get through this. Because she was she was getting care. Maybe not the right care, obviously, but she was getting care. So I I believe him. I I I think he's being true.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. But um, you know, it's brutal. But at the same time, and this is I think, you know, like the appeal of horror, it's very difficult to not watch.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Yes. Yes.

unknown 8:23

It's it's it's incredibly hard not to become invested in like this disintegration.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

And, you know, one of the great things of about writing in horror is that you can, you know, I guess you you get to multiply it by scale, right? Because instead of just having, you know, um like a uh spouse murderer, you get to have someone who like, you know, yeah, I I have one story where the spouse cuts off uh the husband's the cheating husband's finger and makes him eat it, you know.

Why Horror Is Hard To Stop Watching

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Nice. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

I like it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

And you know, and uh it's interesting, you know, the one of the fun things about writing is discovering that your audience is like never who you think they are. Because like I always thought, you know, like because I'm a middle-aged man and you know, I figured I was writing for like other middle-aged men, or maybe stretching down to 25 years old, but like and like everybody who's read this book, it it's all women in like their 20s and 30s. Yeah, it's just like it's blowing my mind.

SPEAKER_01 9:52

I can't believe it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

Look, we're all crazy, we just have different levels of craziness, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

And I think that's very true, and I think it's it's very internal. Like, you don't know what what the crazy is until you know, like because some people hide, so they have to, they have to you you know how like when you hear in these stories, you know, like, oh he seems so normal, or like I never thought that he was abusive. It's because the person has to display to you their terrible behavior and and their craziness, you know. I think that like everybody has to make that choice, that you know, the people who they're gonna show, which which is why, you know, like uh husbands and wives, you know, uh have may maybe don't laugh at at their spouse's jokes as as much as they used to, because you know, they they get to see like everything leading up to the joke, and you know, and they've all and they've also heard it 20 times.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

Yeah. I'm just laughing because as a woman, I'm uh gonna be 38 in September and I've been married for 12 years, I think. Or going on 13. Yeah. So it's like we when you said that I really had to hold back my chuckling, you know.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

You know, but that's also like that's a that's a great thing about you know being married, especially if you if you can find somebody, boy, is it ever hard, but if you find the right person. You know, it's like um, you know, uh uh you're a team. And it's not uh that's not to say that it's you know you you just collect into yourselves together to work in concert because it because it's more economical, but it's like you're you're like the team, you know, uh uh you have that feeling of like 20-year-olds who regularly meet up at a bar, you know.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

You gotta you always gotta throw out that once in a while. Do you come here often?

SPEAKER_02 12:16

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Oh, that's

Surprise Readers And Marriage Truths

SPEAKER_00 12:20

great. That's I love this. Um so did you so like when you were like younger in like your younger days in like you know, school, did you were you like, hey, I'm gonna be a writer, like this is what I'm gonna do? Like, how did this come about?

SPEAKER_03 12:35

No. And I uh but I did like I'll say that. So that it doesn't I don't think it comes from nowhere. You know, I think like oftentimes when when somebody ends up uh finding their thing, everybody has a thing, and if they're lucky enough, they'll find their thing. Um I think that like I've been training those muscles, but I I always wrote stuff, you know. Like when I was a kid, I t I tell this story all the time about like I wrote like dirty lyrics, and you know, like I I was I I I was a white Jewish kid growing up in Philadelphia, so like like everybody every other kid like me, I tried to write hip hop lyrics.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

That's fucking awesome. I love that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

And like obviously, I'm not writing about anything that I know about, you know. Like, I I never smoked back cocaine, you know, up to that uh up to that point. And and you know, like my mother found it and she was appalled, you know, but I had uh reams of the stuff, you know. I like like I spent a whole summer I went on like this bus tour across the country uh with a youth organization. I just like spent the whole summer writing these outrageous stories about like, you know, like uh people having psychotic breaks, you know, while using angel dust and like like going on violent rampages. And I just remember I was taking a nap, like and I came, and my mother came home and she f you know, and she's a good mom, so she's rifling through my stuff while I'm asleep. And uh and she finds them and she's like she's like, uh she told me she was ashamed.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Oh, that hurt.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Oh, yeah, it hurt. And it hurt because my mom was really nice and did not say stuff like that. So it you know, it when it's more unexpected, it really hits you harder.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

But um, you know, that one always comes to mind, and then you know, I I I I went to um I you know, I had my issues as a kid, so I went to like uh, you know, sort of unique schools, and uh we had a lot of freedom when we were um, you know, doing something like English composition. So, you know, I could write these wild stories, and uh, you know, you never think of it when you're a kid, but you look back and you're like, wow, I guess like that teacher was kind of an awesome person to let me do that, you know?

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

And uh I wish I could remember her name, but like we were doing poetry because one year I had an English teacher, and I brought in the lyrics to Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath. And like sh she loved it so much that she put it in the curriculum and the next grade learned it too. And I I was just like, and I think of that now as an adult, you know, because it it it's so hard to I think to work daily with children. Yes. Um like the only thing that's harder is to work daily with adults who behave like children.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

Yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

Yeah. So uh yeah, but and and then you know m my parents were letter writers, and um and you know, this is sort of like you'll remember this. I I think we're close, we're generationally close. So you'll remember like when there were still all these, you know, boxes of family belongings, and there were like letters in there, and you know, like old notes and pictures and things like that.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

So nostalgia.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like the the artifacts of nostalgia, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

I like that. The artifacts, I like that.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Yeah, I mean, and it was like it's crazy that the world changes so fast because that was such you know, that was such an ingrained part of it just like family life or you know, like the the history of inheriting the history of a family, you know?

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Um but so I you know I was always right in in one way or another. But I didn't really start writing regularly with the intent to create horror fiction pretty much exclusively until I would say about eight years ago.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Wow.

Childhood Writing And Nostalgia Artifacts

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Now, were you someone that always enjoyed like is Halloween one of your favorite holidays?

SPEAKER_02 17:44

Uh, I loved it.

SPEAKER_03 17:45

I loved it.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Okay, and you always you always liked horror movies and stuff and scary stuff.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

Yeah. You know, I think what I liked, I I like the stuff that you weren't supposed to like, you know? Like uh a lot of like a lot, not my dad's side. My dad, you know, my my dad's side is everybody's done well, and you know, they're all very smart, but you know, they're also reprobate. So like they're like, you know, like problem but my mom's side was so so good to shoes. You know? And and and she like just did not want the things that I liked, she was worried that I liked them. Like I really liked heavy metal, you know. Um like I'm like listening to, you know, like people equal shit by slipknot.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

Like, what are you listening to?

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Oh, I love that. I love that. So you so you are a heavy metal guy and you really like hip-hop too, right?

SPEAKER_03 18:53

I liked it all, but you know, like what you gotta remember, what what what was this the era the era of rap rock, right?

unknown 19:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Yes, and so I was like, I saw Kid Rock in concert, you know, like this is this is like right after, you know, his first album, Devil Without a Cause. So like it was and and and you know what is interesting to like to draw the parallel with the the ways I didn't expect uh my readership to be when I was at the kid rock show. I'm I'm like everybody there was like in their 50s and 60s, and this is like 25 years ago, you know, maybe more. I'm just like, this is wild, man. Like some of these people are, you know, like they have grandbabies they're gonna see at Christmas, and they're they're here like you know, blazing and listening to kid rock.

SPEAKER_00 19:47

Hell yeah. Smoking blunts and drinking forties still.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

Yeah, totally. Yeah. But I you know, but a cop team's taught me anything. It's that like some grandmas and grandpas, they like to party.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Yeah. Nothing wrong with that.

SPEAKER_03 20:05

No, no. I I mean, listen, if you can handle it.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

If you can handle it, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

If you can handle it.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

So have you ever thought about making one of your books or many of your books into a movie or movies?

SPEAKER_03 20:23

Anyone who answers no is a liar. Anyone who says no to that question is a liar.

SPEAKER_00 20:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

And and and they're trying to impress the the kinds of people who would also lie about it. Because we we've grown up in in like the absolute sentency of film and television. No matter how many books you read, you know, I guarantee you, except in very limited cases, you see more movies.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

But sometimes the movies ruin the books, you know, if it's not done right. So I know that's a big issue for writers, you know.

unknown 21:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Well, I mean, listen, not for me. I won't even go see the movie. It's fine. I don't care. Whatever, you know. I even have like this, and this should tell you plenty about me. I don't know what this is about, but like I have like a sort of I I've I've played with the dream of like having someone make just the worst movie possible with one of my stories so that it's like legendarily bad, you know, like that movie The Room.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

The Room. Oh, with Jody Foster?

SPEAKER_03 21:35

No, no, the Sannic Room. That's actually, I think that's a decent movie. Um, although I haven't seen it in forever. The Room is like, it's this cult hit um with this guy named Tommy, I forget his last name, but he's like Eastern European or something, and he just like all the lines in the movie are like delivered wooden, and it's very poorly acted, and it has like all these famous um you know, l uh these like catchphrases now that are from the script, you know, like Lisa, you're tearing me apart. And it's just like it's like melodramatic and badly timed, poorly acted, and that if my dream is to have a movie like that made about like what my most serious story. I don't know what that's about. But you know, that's I I would be very interested in seeing that.

Heavy Metal Tastes And Movie Dreams

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Is that is that the one that was made in 2003 or the one f oh yeah the ro you know what I think I did see this. It's like a drama romantic right? Yeah yeah I did see this I did see this movie.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Because I'm like a huge like movie guru so I'm like I said what I know I've seen okay yep I remember I had to look it up this is one of those things where it's like people be like no I haven't seen it and then like you go to Google and like oh I know what this is I know I know exactly what this is.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Yeah memory's funny that way I I think that like anything that I read or I watch whether it's a movie, a show or because I have I have a whole library like around my you know of course everything's spooky and um whether it's like factual books, whatever, but anything I watch or I read the scariest to me is things that really happen in real life that we don't even realize right. And as you get older it really like you know sets in you're just like what the fuck did I just read? Like is that really happening you gotta start to question things and that's when you get down to those rabbit holes and you kind of gotta I call it like an adult timeout. I need to go put myself an adult timeout and stay off social media stay away from everything weird and just relax.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Yeah I gotta cool down because like I'm too angry about this stranger story. You know? You know like occasionally I have the same feeling. I draw back and I'm like I I don't even I've never even met this person, you know like if not for the internet I'd I would never have heard this story.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

Right. You know isn't that crazy how invested we can become and we don't even know people oh yeah it's wild.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

It's wild. But it's I think it's also like part of that is it's very very human you know like people want there's always that elusive sense of control. And like you are sort of you even if it's subconscious you're you're trying to assert some sort of control when you're really diving into you know uh like if it's a story or if it's like a relative or or you just get it in your head you're needling yourself with the idea that you know the thing that a certain person should do but they're not doing it. And you know I think I think that control is a is a big part of it. But um you know also like listen with these stories I write with the true crime we love to watch. I think it's also ventilation you know it's like it's um you know it's it's off limits and it's very unusual. You know like certainly in the case of Lindsay Clancy like it's very unusual to kill all of your children.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Oh yes. Absolutely um but uh it it it's so like inhumane to think that way as a mom now but even before I was a mom I never understood it because I've always been an auntie I'm like a godmother like times eight I think but I just think holy shit like how can you oh my god like what makes somebody do this? Now there's a lot of behind the scenes right a lot of it's religion I hate to say that I'm not I'm not saying against religion but they felt force or they felt this or the pressure um and I think a lot of them had mental illness before and it just was masked you know I think so I you know I think well it's interesting you know uh my wife works in a hospital and um you know when she when she was in um med school she she did like she she she did rotation so it's like basically you go through the different parts of the hospital for like a month at a time while you're in kids.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

I mean I'm not a kid sorry sorry my son my son just lost in your room my wife my wife is not a kid let's just clarify that and and uh she she she was in the psychic psych um psychiatric and and the uh the fellow said to her he's like listen everybody's a little mentally ill that's the thing everybody is like a little bit crazy it's true and I I think that what happens is like you just some of these people end up in circumstances where it supercharges they're crazy.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Yes you know oh yeah I mean that's the thing you never know what someone's going through and sometimes something just happens and it makes someone it can physically change your brain chemistry. Oh completely absolutely otherwise how would we learn to adapt?

SPEAKER_03 27:29

Like that that's the the crux of being human. Right trauma trauma changes permanently the way you think and you know to to a lesser degree or sometimes to a greater degree like how you physically respond to it.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

Right right wow your your wife is probably like so interesting to talk to you too because she probably has so many stories.

SPEAKER_03 27:52

Oh my god she is she she's an endless I actually have my wife doesn't like me talking about this but it's it but it's to her credit I have um two separate lists and one of them is um things that Gina has said during medical school and another is things Gina has said while working in the hospital and sometimes I just go through the list and like I'm reading the stuff that she said and I'm just like I so made the right choice that's awesome yeah man that takes that takes a tough lady to work in the medical man bless her heart yeah well you know she is a tough lady I I like to say you know like she she said you know do you still love me I'm like still love you you know like I I I married a gay man in a hot woman's body like yeah yes I would get along with Gina yeah you are you know team Gina yes team Gina my wife has said she says I'm not a bitch but I'm a down ass bitch that's right hell yeah Gina I like it capital G she's a G I love I love her already yeah I call a G unit oh I love it and now that's sold like to me like you know 50 cent was yesterday right I hey you know what I still love my 50 cent how he spits with those bullet indents in his face yeah yeah I mean if you like my favorite was did you see the interviews with him when he was like talking about the P Diddy documentary he did he just like he just had this shit even grip you know uh huh he always did yeah he always so pleased with himself you know I don't know like some d I watched so much shit on that that diddy and like you know I think I think he is Satan in a way but I also think he was set up a lot and I think there's a lot of more crooks behind him you know yeah I mean there always are you know that's the thing but you gotta you gotta look at it this way you know because like the the the flip side of that is or like the rationalization of that is like when when a cop pulls someone over and you know the person gets pulled over says don't you have something more important to do and it's like yeah maybe but you know I'm here and if this doesn't get done then it won't get done anywhere and then we'll see where things go.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

It won't feel so good, you know? True.

SPEAKER_03 30:26

So you gotta get the ones you can that you can get them I guess.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Yeah you're right I like that you gotta like the system's not perfect, you know, but it's what we're working with.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

So you can either junk it or you can try and improve it where you can when you can't which is super hard but you know that's the best you can do.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Fair

Control Grief And Plugging The Book

SPEAKER_00 30:49

I like that so I want the listeners to hear again so what is your latest book called again?

SPEAKER_03 30:58

Infernal trance tales of weird terror okay and you can find it on Amazon just type in Infernaltrance or Alex Grass or you can go to infernaltrance.com and find you know like links to media and you know and see what other people have said about the book. You know I encourage people to go like even if you're you listen to this interview and and you really don't like you know it's a great place to project your nature by my website you know you can do that too.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

I always say that too like I don't care just give me a feedback.

SPEAKER_03 31:39

Yeah for sure for sure for sure my favorite thing is like I see people post like there's this uh subgenre of horror called splatter talk and it's just like really you know basically hardcore horror gross stuff and I see those authors like post their one star reviews all the time and I like I get like they're so good there's nothing nothing you know it it's like the the people who think they're trashing the author actually what you're doing is showing that like it deeply affected you know which which is the entire purpose so the cover of this book this man is this supposed to be like you too who is this where does this come from tell me about tell me about the book art this is actually that's so great like who is this man I want to know this is from this is like all of the art in this book the cover and then there's inserts between each story all of it is public domain and the vast majority of it is stuff from like a hundred or more years ago and the um the cover is is like an old Vlog film poster. And if you see the the original poster it's kind of like a ruddy face um it looks like I don't know like if I had to guess it's kind of just like a voice there's a German guy. Yeah he's got like super ginger red hair and like the mustache on the poster is much more I guess I'm looking at the cover now this is a very walrus like mustache.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

Yeah now I'm on horror news dot net this is cool oh okay yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah blending the uncanny with the mundane and then I love how on the front too there's a Steven Gallagher I'm like Gallagher I love it yeah it's yeah I can't look that's another crazy thing about this like I I I asked like real authors I mean like I don't say you know everybody has a little bit of imposter so like you know I say like real authors I'm a real author.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

Absolutely you are absolutely but but but this guy is like Stevie Gallagher he's like very good and he's done you know just like written a bookload of Doctor Who episodes and he's like explosively huge in the UK you know and he read my book and I just like I could not believe it. The guy read my book and he had something nice to say about it. It's it it blew my mind.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

That's awesome. Yeah

Cover Art Public Domain And Reviews

SPEAKER_00 34:40

I have to get your other books. So you have um Black River Lantern Drak A Boy's Hammer and the 2026 collection Infernal Tramps.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

Yes and there's another one that I pulled it's called the Influencer please please do not find it I hope that every copy has been burnt and that it's different why did something come true from your book?

SPEAKER_00 35:04

No, it's just not it's just it's not it's not it's not a great book that's all you know what well when uh one man's trash is another man's treasure.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

Hey Amen you know amen that's the that's the the entire basis of my favorite my favorite media cop camps you know uh I just like my my favorite is the disclaimer you know because like it because YouTube there has to be a purpose to it right apparently I I don't know what what the rule is but it's basically all the cop cam videos beforehand they say like this is meant to be educational and I'm like no it's not you know it's just like we just want to see people like you know we want to see people suffer we want things to happen so we can because we're all a little bit fucked up right we want to see some horror yeah exactly exactly we do we do I get it I get it you know and like I I think a lot of people like subvert that energy and they sublimate it and and they like put a lot of energy into pretending that that is a very very basic facet of being a human being you know right and you know and that's where you have like you know it's such an overused term now but like the Karen and you know and the the church ladies and the hard on coaches like the drunk uncles that you know that's what it's like instead of just admitting that there's you know we all share in common this sickness that unites us as human beings you know they want to s they want to project some sort of superiority and I just think like the the desire to witness the grotesque and to vicariously participate in it is fundamentally human.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

I mean it is there's a song I think by Billy Eilish and she not that I really follow her but I do like some of her songs but I know one of her songs is you know a little um I guess sexually you know raged a little bit like some rage bait in there too about that but I know one of her lines is like you couldn't look away and it's like that's just the human it's the human brain the human eyes right yeah for sure for sure I mean it's like it's it's it's the thing that built us it built up civilization you know the way that we we were able to take in you know sensory information and process it and make something of it you know true and uh it's sort of like the incredible thing about it is like it w what makes us so unique versus you know like monkeys or lizards or whatever you know I guess porcupines do and better than platypuses and better than you know geckos and you know various various bugs that's so weird you say that I was just watching this platypus video on TikTok like earlier today and I'm like they they are such an odd animal I just like I remember from the beginning of this Ham and Smith movie and it's like you know like if you think God doesn't have a sense of humor take a look at the flat effect that's so funny. Yeah like what even is the flat effect thank you thank you because that is literally my thought earlier and I'm like is this what happens am I getting I'm not getting old see I'm seasoned but I'm like I'm still a child at heart but like when you you get to those like these weird ages where you start to look back on stuff and you're like what even is that why was that created why is this you you turn back to being like a toddler almost right oh totally yeah yeah yeah yeah it's all the time like with my oldest what we primarily talk about is that like we just send each other videos of animals.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

I'm like can you believe this is real?

SPEAKER_00 39:19

I know I know it's like when we go to the zoo I'm like what even is a giraffe and how did the giraffe get its name it's so weird.

SPEAKER_03 39:29

Like why on earth would anything have a net that's eight feet long that's insane.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

I know it it it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Like I'm telling you we're back to being we're just so curious about the world yeah for sure but you know like at least that means that you know we we haven't late special thing that you have as a child that childlike sense of wonder if you can keep some of it you know then you're doing pretty well I think absolutely but um my favorite like I just saw like have you ever seen the um it's the shoe bill what is it the shoe bill stork have you ever seen that bird it's got like oh my from Australia is it really creepy oh yeah it's creepy as that's another thing I just seen on TikTok that I'm like what the hell is I've never seen and then I had to look up where it's from I think I'm gonna look it up right now shoe bill yeah this is so funny because I like send all my friends these like weird random videos and people are always like what the fuck Mel like what is this even I'm like I don't know what is it I don't know but like they're yeah it's freaky and like if you ever watch videos it makes a jackhammer sound so like with it speak it makes a it's just like it's nightmare feel and and and and like you know God bless the internet it it it's the best and it's the worst of of everything. I was looking up the the shoe bell stork and I saw this uh this picture and it says it's the shoe bell stork uh next to Sabrina Carpenter and it's shoebel stork is the exact same height as Sabrina Carpenter.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

Oh my god it's evil looking too I like I would love to have one as a pet. Oh my god I'd be scared uh they're they're terrifying yeah and it actually says it like it goes back to like ancient Egypt yeah that's this is so crazy that you're bringing up this stuff because this is like within this last few days I have been sending people videos about Planypuses that video that I've seen earlier and then a few days ago I came across this thing on TikTok and I'm like is this even real or is this AI?

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Yeah it's but that's the thing it's like you know nature so the the I could not imagine I don't have the the faculty to create something as horrifying as the things that are in nature and I think almost nobody can create uh an idea that's as horrifying as the things that exist in nature.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

No not at all and nature will take care of nature and I love saying that because you know it's just be care you know I always tell people be careful treat mother earth nice because you know nature always takes care of nature.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

Yeah for sure for sure and it's much bigger than you and it's older and it'll be around when you're gone absolutely I have some Q's and A's that I want

Nature Internet Rabbit Holes And Wonder

SPEAKER_03 42:55

to do.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

So for this latest book that you just now you just had your um like book release big thing right a couple weeks ago yeah two weeks ago okay so what was the moment that made you realize that you had to write this book um I think you know it's very hard to pinpoint but I would say at a certain point you know because a lot of these stories they go into you know um fiction magazines or literary journals and stuff like that that's where they first appear and I'm just like you know I started reading collections like hard collections and thinking to myself well I'm reading wow I'm really enjoying this you know like like I really I had got gotten into short art fiction before and I'm and you know like obviously they're all collected a book and then I thought to myself hey I wonder if I have enough that you know like I could make a book and then I I

SPEAKER_03 44:00

You look at that.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

So there's gonna be more of this coming out for this book?

SPEAKER_03 44:14

Um, I mean there are other stories that are um you know like top that are coming out. Like I just had another one that um it's uh called Top List Confidential. They have like a pretty cool collection called American Dictionary, and it's just like the you know, um it's basically like one of the unique things about America is like the sort of craziness that it creates. And and it's not anti-American, which is, but it it is just like sort of like acknowledging that you know like the uniqueness of America is for instance and it's leveled up, you know. Um which I I don't want to talk about. I don't want to get into politics at all. But that that that was sort of the theme of it, and some very cool stories came out of it, and I'm happy to say that one of mine wasn't there. But, you know, like regarding the future, basically, the idea is, you know, keep writing short stories, and who knows, maybe a novel will come up again, and just uh, you know, like all things, just keep moving forward, that's all.

SPEAKER_00 45:26

Okay. So what's the creepiest or most unexplained thing you uncovered while researching?

unknown 45:36

Oh god, that's so hard.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03 45:39

Oh my god, that's so hard. Oh. I think I feel oh yeah. The craziest thing I uncovered in all these serial killers in South America.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Serial killers in South America?

SPEAKER_03 45:56

Yes, because you don't realize or and let's just say serial killers in other places, because in other places it takes a long time for them to get caught. Oh the num so the number of people that they kill is like I think one guy switched up there and killed like 230 people. And it's just like, you know, the idea of someone killing anything it's scarier when it's individualized, you know, if you're like this is gonna sound a a little bit grotesque, but you know, if you're like a soldier, or like, you know, you know, or or like let's say you work at like a dog pant and you're like, you know, putting dogs in the street, you know, part of the isn't happening is the process, not just you, right?

SPEAKER_00 46:52

Right.

SPEAKER_03 46:54

But with serious killers, you are the process. So like you are creating your own institution of death and bringing it to be implemented against other people. And the idea that there's someone out there evil enough to do that like 200 plus times, that's terrifying. That's real.

SPEAKER_00 47:14

Did you say this guy killed like 230 people?

SPEAKER_03 47:19

Hold on, let me see.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

Yeah, um. Let me see. I'll find it and I I'll I'll send it to you, but there's just like it it's just a crazy, crazy uh uh amount of people.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 47:39

Okay, like, okay, here's one. A Boljab killed 55 men and boys by strangling them with turbans while raping them, suspected of over 300 murders.

SPEAKER_04 47:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

You know, it's it's this is out in the foothills of Atheist, so it's like building, you know.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

Oh god, who knows how many he killed.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Like, I can't imagine how would you even catch the guy? You know? There's like a person can bring 20 miles, maybe, you know?

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Wow.

unknown 48:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:17

Wild. That's wild, scary.

SPEAKER_02 48:20

Yeah, it's terrifying, right?

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Yeah, hell yeah.

Research Shocks And Massive Body Counts

SPEAKER_00 48:26

So I have two more questions for you, and there's one golden egg that I'm leaving for the very end. So my next one is um what's one story that you left out of any of your books that still sticks with you.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

I'm trying to remember the name of it, but it's the um hold on. I I have, you know, I keep the database, but it really stops. I can tell you what the story's about, certainly when I look at the name. It's basically uh this woman's taking the stuff away to New York, and she starts to see this um a homeless person who is just mutilating herself, and she can't understand why. And through the course of like seeing him several times and trying different ways to like go um into uh different uh entrances to the subway and do workarounds and different routes, he just shouldn't show it up, and it's not it's not clear uh whether or not he's a ghost or uh oh my god. I did not make it this. This is ridiculous. Oh my god. I just found the name. Oh my god. It's called by the By the Blood of the Bum.

SPEAKER_00 49:45

By the blood of the Mum? Of the bum, you know, like Oh the Bum.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Yeah. Now I kind of wish I didn't even mention it.

unknown 49:54

That's a terrible name.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

No, it's not. You know what? Like, I only made a couple original stories on my podcast, and a lot of it came from real life experiences, but like it was like this just like mundane, stupid stuff that I like hyped up. You know what I mean? Is that kind of sometimes how you get your stories?

SPEAKER_03 50:14

Oh, that's almost that's how I get almost all of my stories. You know, I I I like I I remember I was driving my son to school, and I just like saw a pigeon, and I'm like, wouldn't it be crazy if there was just some guy who was who was like crazy if there was just some guy who was uh like running around New York? Just like it just like for me to do it, you know?

SPEAKER_00 50:49

So I knew in my head you were gonna say, wasn't it wouldn't it be crazy if if this guy was eating pigeons because there's shit out there that people have been eating rabbits? Something else, and I'm like, oh my god, that would make such a cool story.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

But then here's the question like, is that crazy? Or have we just evolved to a point where we've sort of like socialized this very normal but very violent behavior out of us by creating the spirit of the body?

SPEAKER_00 51:24

Well, we're so desensitized by everything we see that I think for us, I think it's a different time, but we're we've kind of like we've easily melted into it because we are millennials, and you've got to be tough as shit to be a millennial, right? You grew up that way, but um, I think that the younger kids are even more desensitized, and they're just like, eh, whatever. They don't even bat nine. Sometimes that can be good, and a lot of times that can be bad too. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 51:52

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think it's like it's never so simple.

SPEAKER_03 51:57

It's always like pieces, you know. It's not, it's ne it's never like, oh, this generation was better, or this generation is worse. It's always like, you know, this part of people who are 40 years old is tremendous, and this part is not so great, and this part of people who are 70 is amazing, and then this part of people who are 70 is like a ball, you know? It's it's just like different facets of it. Like, I am sure at a certain point, uh, my kids are gonna grow up and they're just gonna have shit to say about me the way I have shit to say about my parents, you know?

SPEAKER_00 52:30

Well, the difference is though, and this I will always I'll die on this hill saying it, cause millennial to me, but even like elder millennials, I think I'm considered an elder millennial, but we remember what it was like before the internet completely took over, but we still had like a little bit of internet time. You know what I mean? So I think like we are the last generation to be kind of in between both worlds.

SPEAKER_03 52:58

Yeah, we're we're we're like the insane person like laundering through the things that all with the boss like just like buttering, it's you snipping a place, it's you snipping up late.

SPEAKER_00 53:14

That's actually really funny. Well, if you ever need any paranormal, like real life stories, but like you want to make them into however you want, I have so many, and they're all real, and I have receipts to back it up, so whenever you want those, I would I can send you over like a thousand ideas right when I get when I hang up with you.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

I I I would love it. And you know what? I didn't even get to mention I have just like I have this massive paranormal in a cult library. Just like huge, you know? And uh like that's that's sort of my gig, you know, like uh I I love listening to or watching, you know, uh like internet media or like a podcast about the paranormal. Like my shit is always like books. I got sort of that obsession about, you know, like their secret book that tells you the things that nobody else knows.

unknown 54:14

That's sort of my shame.

SPEAKER_00 54:15

I have a great story for you about my eye that will blow will knock the socks off your feet. And anytime you want that, I can either write it to you, I can tell it to you, I can give you the gist, and I can and and I have medical to back it up. I mean, it's insane.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

Send it to me.

SPEAKER_00 54:33

I will.

SPEAKER_03 54:33

In fact, just just do a document, document.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

Okay. Yeah, because I I wrote it for a magazine. It was for a um Ghost Buzz magazine. So I have it in my collections in my email, so I'll just send it right over to you. And you go ahead and have fun with that. But I'll tell I'll tell you what, it is such a bizarre story that it is, it I think it would it would be really good content for you.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

The stranger the better. The stranger the better.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

Yeah.

From Mundane Moments To Horror Stories

SPEAKER_03 55:05

I there's two things I I like I absolutely love. Completely bizarre horror, but then also like horror with things that are so normal that it it becomes freaky that the normal thing is is is out of control. Like I uh like people make fun of Stephen King, but like I would love an entire book about a haunted dose.

SPEAKER_00 55:26

I love Stephen King. We each shared the same birthday.

unknown 55:30

Do you really?

SPEAKER_00 55:30

Yeah, and I'm a creep. I've always been a creep. My mom was like, oh my god, this isn't the girl I want. You know, my mom wanted like a pretty, like a girly girl with bows, and I was like, you know, the my dad used to tell me I was the claw side of his hammer, you know? You know, so you get what you get, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:50

Oh my god, that's a bad bad, bad company. I wish someone ever called me the claw side of his hammer that bad.

SPEAKER_00 56:01

Well, my dad was a carpenter. So uh yeah, I share a birthday with Stephen King, a huge ass Stephen King fan. Uh we've I was born on September 21st, too, the last day of summer. I love him. So yeah, you you gotta keep just keep writing, you know? Just I mean, even if you get like hypnotized a little bit, just like write down all your ideas because you know you might be the next Stephen King, and he really didn't get his breakout until his God, I think like late 40s, right?

SPEAKER_03 56:31

Yeah, listen, Melissa, from your lips to God's ears, but I'm gonna tell you something. There was there is one Stephen King. There were only will only ever be one Stephen King.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

I know, I know, but we need we need more writers and screenwriters and stuff because you know, he's 75, and I mean I think he'll live till he's 105 at least, but you know what I mean? Like we we need more like pumped out, you know, we get because some of these movies I'm like uh come on now, what's happening here?

SPEAKER_03 57:05

There will always be people who find a part of themselves uh that requires them to create things, or or they'll feel like they're dying. Those human beings will always be there. You could you can't change that any more than you can change the fact that we have thumbs.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

Right. Thank God, those people are my tribe.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Yeah, I mean it's like it it's like you you found your crazy, right?

SPEAKER_00 57:38

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 57:39

That's the way I feel when I talk when I talk to somebody like you, Melissa. Like, uh, I've I I found uh here's someone who's in in in the same same pool of crazy. You know?

SPEAKER_00 57:50

Yep, our tribe. You gotta have your tribe always.

unknown 57:54

Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 57:55

So are you ready for the golden egg question?

SPEAKER_02 57:58

Uh let's hear.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

I'm really excited to ask you this. Was there anything you found that changed your own beliefs as a person?

SPEAKER_02 58:10

Writing this book?

SPEAKER_00 58:12

Like anything. Like was there anything that you researched or you found or you started writing that like you had that ah moment where it changed your own beliefs?

SPEAKER_02 58:25

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 58:28

I think so. Um I think I've read but here's when you read a lot about weird stuff, find weird people, find weird people, there's a cross-section of weird people who also do really empty art things, you know, like, you know, often violent things.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:55

The interesting thing is that uh, and this will sound like, you know, sort of maybe like uh like a common observation in vanilla, but it I don't know, it really settled in me. The idea that like, you know, there are psychopaths with friends and there are psychopaths with dangerous things, you know? So nothing is ever like a complete distillation of good or evil. Now that's not to say that there's no such thing. I don't believe that. I think you know, I think uh evil is very identifiable. Um but I think that like human beings are as complicated and as very a thing as has ever existed.

unknown 59:49

Not just a creature, but a thing as has ever existed, including the stars of the universe.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

And so I think what was really um ominous about that is that like there's no I finally realized and reconciled myself to the idea that there's no way to predict anything, and almost anybody can do anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

Oh that's a very frightening idea. Oh, that just put chills up my smile. Wow, you said that. I'm like, ooh. Yeah. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:26

Which is, I mean, like, people have been saying it for years.

unknown 1:00:29

They just put it differently. They just said, but for the grace of God go on.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

You know?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:35

You don't you don't know. A couple things change, and you could be an actress.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

Wow. Wow, I like that answer. Has anyone ever asked you questions like this yet?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:48

Never. Oh my god, this is so hard.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

I'm making I'm I'm picking at your brain. Do you feel it?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

Oh my god, like yeah, except I don't feel it in my head, I feel it like Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:02

Yeah, cool. See, I like that kind of reaction. That's good. Well, a work I I would love to have you on

Beliefs Changed And Where To Find Alex

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

more. Um, I really want people. You guys again, this is Alex Grass. Now, Alex, thanks so much for coming on Strange Strange Beyond Insane. When this episode does go live, I would love if you could share it with your readers. And where can everyone find you and your work? Like, do you have an actual website?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:29

Yeah, infernaltramps.com.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:31

Ooh.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:32

And uh yeah, and uh, you know, you can find me on Instagram also. I surrendered to that this year. It's at Infernaltramps. And uh, you know, you can find me in in the same place where you find your sponges and your dish up and soap and you know, your banana.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

You're funny. You're great. I I really enjoyed this.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:55

I I have my buttons.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:57

So it's infernaltramps.com, right?

unknown 1:02:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:03

Okay, cool. You guys have to check out check Alex out, you know. Um can they so they can buy your books off Amazon and then can they also get it on like Audible?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:16

Uh no. I I I because I I haven't surrendered to uh to AI. They did make it so easy to do an audio book, but I just don't have it in me.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:26

Good for you. That's I like that. I like hearing that. Good for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

Well, you know, I have a couple of people have um have done uh audio productions of the story, so I'd be happy to send you the links to share that with your listeners. I mean, listen, if you only listen to one of my stories, I'm very happy. And like I said, I'll settle for hatred. You know, uh that's fine too.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

I um am going to order this Infernal Tramps. I have to. Um that and you're you're on YouTube too, right? Am I I think so?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:03

I mean, yeah, I'm like I'm searchable on YouTube.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:07

Okay. Cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:08

I don't have a I don't have a channel. I don't okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

Yep, so you've been on interviews on YouTube, so it pulls you right up.

unknown 1:03:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

Cool. Alex Grass, what a name.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

Yeah, well, you know, like I said, Gas got a great sense of humor.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:29

Well, thank you so much for hopping on. I really appreciate you, and I would love to have you on numerous, like multiple more times because you are just so interesting. And I I'd love to interview. It's like my favorite thing to do, really.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

I would love to. I yeah, we should do some like some straight up camera paranormal stuff next time. I'd I'd love. I'd love it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

Okay, you just let me know when you have time. I know you got a busy life. You got three kids. I only have one, so with all your writing and everything, I and now we're coming into spooky season, so yeah, that's true, that's true, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

But you know, um, I'd love to. I'd love to. Obviously, you can tell I love talking.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:13

Aww. Good. Hey, you know what? It would be really awkward if you didn't want to talk.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

Yeah. Oh my god. But you know what? I've heard those interviews. They're out there.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

Oh jeez. And they're stale, right? It almost kind of like embarrasses you as it because you're like, oh god, I feel so bad. Like, this is so awkward.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Oh, you want to see some cringe? Here, this is uh this is the thing I'll leave you with. You want to see cringe?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:40

Look up, look up Billy Bob Thornton, um, Angry Music uh uh interview. Billy Bob Thornton, Angry Music Interview. He's just like the guy asked him about being an actor because it's Billy Bob Thornton, and he's just like it's actually it's cringe. It's cringe it's secondhand embarrassment of the highest order.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:06

Billy Bob. He hasn't he hasn't been around in a minute. Oh, he had a meltdown.

unknown 1:05:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:13

Wow. That's awful. Oh, he did this on um the view, the show, the view.

unknown 1:05:22

I gotta find it.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:23

Hold on. I gotta find it. It's um uh oh, honey, did you send me that Andrew Vandervaart or that that doctor or whoever who did the video about Billy Bob Forton? Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah, I I'm gonna I'm gonna send it to you because you can put it up for your listeners.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

Okay, that's awesome. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

I'm very happy to do it. And uh make sure to send me the uh, you know, the document up the eye.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:55

Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll like that. That'll be a good story. Well, at least it'll be an idea for you. I I think it would be pretty, pretty intriguing story, but well, I'm up for time tonight, but I would absolutely love to have you back on. You let me know when you can hop back on after some things settle down for you, and uh we'll talk paranormal because I would I'll I'll really enjoy that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

Fantastic. Fantastic. I'm looking forward to it, a thousand percent.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

Well, it was very nice meeting you. Thank you again for your time, and we'll be chatting soon.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:26

Sounds good. Thank you for having me on, Alyssa.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

All right, bye-bye.

Milestone Thanks And How To Message

SPEAKER_00 1:06:37

Thank you guys, as always, for listening. And I do want to say that I have I'm right at the peak of almost 10,000 downloads, and that's amazing. That's a huge milestone. So as soon as I hit that, which will be very shortly, uh, that will be a whole entire episode. But I do also want to apologize for the noise in this episode. Uh I tried my hardest to edit it and edit like background noise, but it's not letting me. So I guess it's just really authentic and raw tonight. And I apologize again, but you guys know where to find me. And you know, if you go on to Buzz Sprout site, you can send me a direct message or leave me a voicemail. You can email me at Ghost Sisters2124 at Gmail. And again, thank you guys for listening and tune in for some more.