What If Your Memories Are Not Yours

A loophole that supposedly makes murder “legal” inside Yellowstone. Appalachian warnings that tell you not to look up in the trees at night. A haunted Ohio building big enough to swallow your confidence whole. If that sounds like your kind of weird, we’ve got you.

Melissa is joined by Carissa for a rapid-fire ride through spooky trivia, paranormal folklore, and conspiracy-flavored questions that get under your skin. We start with the infamous “Zone of Death” story and why it’s so unsettling even as a thought experiment. Then we swing into the oddly comforting world of Appalachian folklore, where death signs, door knocks, shadows on water, and empty rocking chairs feel like rules you follow just in case. Along the way, we trade stories, laugh through the nerves, and admit when the dark stuff hits close.

The heart of the conversation is our decision to return to Madison Seminary in Madison, Ohio, one of the most notorious haunted locations in the state. We talk about the building’s layered history, how massive it is to investigate, and what happened last time that left us shaken. From there we spiral into Mandela effects using 90s TV references and shared “memories” that might not be real, and we close with a chilling case of spontaneous human combustion that still sparks debate between skeptics and believers.

Listen now, then subscribe so you don’t miss the follow-up after our investigation, share this with your favorite spooky friend, and leave a rating and review with the strangest Mandela effect or ghost story you’ve ever experienced.

Transcript

Welcome And Meet The Guest

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Hello, welcome back to Strange, Strange, Vienna Insane, and this is your host, Melissa. And if you're a little fucked up in the head and you like spooky paranormal conspiracies, all the in-between, you've come to the right place. Tonight we have a guest speaker, and I'm excited to bring her on. Yellow. Hello, you're live. On the air. Hello. Hello. I figured I'd hit you with that. Oh shit. Alright. How was your night? It was it's pretty good. How was yours?

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Oh chaotic. Oh, I'm done. Well, why don't you I got to Alan here tonight? I got some really cool stuff to go over.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

Well, why don't you tell them who you are first? I didn't tell them. Oh. Um, this might be. Oh, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

No, it's power stuff. And you guys could be lied. I was not prepared. I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:20

I was like, fuck it, we're just gonna roll with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23

Alright, let's fucking roll with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:27

So what do you gotta tell me?

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Alright, so I gotta sell this stuff. So my dad gave me this book. It's called Interesting Stories for Curious People. That's like a collection of like little stories about history and pop culture and like random shit. So I was wondering if maybe we should start like a little segment where I read some of them because they're actually pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:54

Alright, shoot me with your best shot. I thought you were gonna say that you were abducted by like big, you know, Bigfoot on cocaine, and then you met a talking octopus that took you into another realm.

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Oh yeah, it's happening right down the ocean. Using the new realm. It was Portland flying station. Wow. The animals talked.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

That was great. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:22

That happens to me every day.

Yellowstone’s Zone Of Death Loophole

SPEAKER_01 2:28

That's a nerd. I know. Alright, alright, so should we start off the death or should we talk about the zone of death? What is it? The zone of death.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

The zone of death? Yeah. Okay, let's hear it. I've been I'm interested in that.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Okay. So say you really want to kill somebody, right? Okay.

unknown 2:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

There's this 15-mile strip that technically murder is legal due to like a loophole. So if it's okay, so Yellowstone National Park is like a little bit of most of Wyoming, a little bit of Montana, a little bit of Idaho, and there's a 50-mile strip. And no one is allowed to live there. While jury, to like say you committed something and there needed to be a trial, the jury has to live in both the state and the district where the crime takes place. So for a trial to take place, the jury has to live there and no one's allowed to live there.

SPEAKER_04 3:42

Alright, we're we're gonna be traveling. We're gonna travel there soon. I have some things I need to do.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

I would love to sightsee Yellowstone, right? Yeah. I mean I I thought that was like really, really interesting. We heard that today, and I was like, oh, I have to share that.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

You know that's where Paul and I were headed out before I got pregnant. That's where that was gonna be our next bike trip.

unknown 4:13

Oh what's it?

SPEAKER_04 4:14

Well, maybe it's a good thing now that what you're telling me, maybe it's a good thing we didn't go, eh?

SPEAKER_03 4:20

Eh?

SPEAKER_04 4:21

Hey? Eh? Wow. I mean, that that's just hypothetical though, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Allegedly. Yes, yes, hypothetically, I'm not encouraging people to go out and commit acts of murder. But I just say, if you were to, you know, besides all of the other things we have mentioned in previous podcasts about how to properly dispose of the body, what to bearing the property of the body.

SPEAKER_04 4:58

Yeah, allegedly.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Right. I mean, it's just information. You know, sharing the scary.

SPEAKER_04 5:09

That's right. Right. Yes, you are correct.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Um and then I also found out the other day. Um, you know Superman ice cream, right? Uh-huh. That's like a Michigan thing. Okay. Oh, really? Yes. And so, you know Stroze the beer. Yes. During the 1920s, during the Prohibition era, obviously there was no alcohol in beer, that was allowed to be made. In order to keep themselves in business, they came up with this. Ice cream? The Superman ice cream.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

Isn't that really cool? Another really cool fact about this year.

SPEAKER_04 5:56

I haven't had Superman in so long. Now I want some.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Maybe we should get some on our well-minute vacay.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

Yes, and our vacation is coming up in what, two weeks?

SPEAKER_01 6:08

A little over two weeks, yeah. Oh, I'm so excited. We're gonna have that. Should we tell them where we're going or should we leave it as a survivor?

SPEAKER_04 6:16

Whatever you want to do, this is your show, girl. I'm just I'm just living in the moment.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Um, let me think about let me consult with my tarot cards and the spirits. And they'll tell me if I should tell the world where we're going. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

Oh, I didn't know that you were doing tarot cards.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Not really. You are a tarot card queen.

SPEAKER_04 6:40

Oh, should I pull them out? Yes. Okay. Well, you go ahead and tell them some all this that you want to do, and I'm gonna pull my tarot cards out, and then I'll read them after.

Appalachian Folklore And Death Signs

SPEAKER_01 6:53

Okay. So, um, you know how close I was with Larry, my cousin. Yeah. Um his 10th anniversary just came up, and um, so it got me thinking about, you know, some of the things we talked about and being so close, you know, the Appalachian Mountains. So I looked up some Appalachian folklore.

SPEAKER_04 7:18

You know what's funny? I did an Appalachia lore um episode, was it last year? Oh, did you? And it got so many hits. Like, people love talking about the Appalachian. There is the history so interesting. The history alone and like what people do, like even to like ward against negative spirits, all kind of negativity and all the hot it's so cool. It's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 7:48

I agree, I absolutely agree. I think that's why I was like so drawing to it.

SPEAKER_04 7:54

Well, Jamie, my friend that you have to meet, still, she's her family's like from like the Appalachia area. And I told her when I met her, I'm like, there's just good vibes about her. I just like liked her right off the rim.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Yeah. But uh And you're you're good with aging people like I am. Usually you can like have a sense if you're gonna vibe with that person or not at the very least.

SPEAKER_04 8:19

Well, I mean, you're not from the Appalachian I vibe with you. You're you're from the you're you're from You're from the um Oh my god. What what did we say last time? We were picking on each other. Oh yes, sorry, you're from the Twip. The Twip. You're a Twippy girl.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Oh my. Oh my.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

So like two of them, obviously, like death comes in threes, but so does birth. Okay. Chimneys are the gravy stones of the home. Spirits of the family still linger inside. Um, three knots on the door when no one there means death is knocking.

SPEAKER_04 9:14

Or doesn't that mean knocking the Holy Trinity?

SPEAKER_01 9:20

Uh oh, yeah. Yup. And then um don't enter or exit a home through the death door. Also, bodies have to be carried out of the home feet first so they don't go back and take someone with them.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

Yes. Um, well let's submit the other ones. Um, don't let your shadow fall across the creek. Your shadow is connected with your spirit. Uh don't bring your old broom to a new hole because you'll end up bringing your old troubles with you.

unknown 10:03

Hmm.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Yes. Don't look up in the trees. If you look for something, it can look back. Don't turn talk.

SPEAKER_04 10:14

Yeah, I did that in that episode. Yeah, and don't be talking. If you hear anything, it's not anything you need to worry about. If someone's calling your name, you just ignore it.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

You just ignore it and you just walk to your camera.

SPEAKER_04 10:28

Yes, ma'am.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

But it's saying, you know, like um don't look out the windows after dark and someone might see that you can't see back. Um don't like an empty rocking chair, you'll find something to sit down. I didn't know that's what they say. Don't leave the dead alone in the home. Body has to be watched in the whole family.

SPEAKER_04 10:54

That's a Jewish thing.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

I learned I learned that from a horror movie that I watched a couple years ago. Okay. And I looked it up. Yeah, that's so that I forget what they're called. Hold on, let me look. They don't want they don't want another um spirit taking over like any negative over the body. So they have like a watcher.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

But you know what? But I think true like true um kosher Jews do not um, I don't think they embalm.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Oh, okay. So you'd have you have I was gonna say you're gonna have to have that funeral real quick or somebody's gonna be a little white. Um if you stripper for no reason, someone's walking over your grave.

SPEAKER_04 11:59

Wait, um, what if you don't have a grave yet?

SPEAKER_01 12:03

Maybe you know in a parallel universe. I don't know. I put a question mark next to that note, but I kept coming across it, so it's something that they say.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

Cause you know how I you know how I always shake and you and I say, Oh, I gotta chill, and you said no, you gotta burr.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:28

So that's what that means.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Someone's walking over your grace, supposedly. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

Those bastards.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

I know, right? How dare they? At least when we go to cemetery's ice day, for the most part, I tr we bold, we try to be very respectful and not step on top of the graves. Right. I mean, sometimes it's it happens, but you know, you try to be respectful. Absolutely. Um when the fog rolls in the spirits roll in the crowns. Uh-huh. What if where we're going?

SPEAKER_04 13:12

It's foggy as fog. Well, we go to Oh, I can't see it yet. Uh well, remember that um night we were out, how foggy it was?

SPEAKER_01 13:25

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

That was creepy.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

It was creepy. So you could just see the thoughts sitting there.

SPEAKER_04 13:32

Yeah. And then we got pulled over. Well, we didn't technically get pulled over, but that cop almost seemed like freaked out. He didn't even care that we were like sitting in front of the cemetery. He was just like, oh, just making sure you're okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

All right, fine.

SPEAKER_04 13:45

Okay, bye. But he waited for me to leave.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Yeah. Maybe Saur knew something that we didn't. Yeah? Maybe he was meant to stick, you know, make sure that we got on our way. Yeah. Um that's another one. The cows are bawling, someone's not gonna make it so morning.

SPEAKER_04 14:14

Wait, say that again, the cows?

SPEAKER_01 14:17

Yeah, if they're like bawling or mooing a lot, like and they won't stop, somebody's not gonna make it so morning.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Yeah, I did see that on a horror movie too a few years ago. Uh, that was really creepy. The they were on a farm and the cow excuse me, the cows were mooing like so creepy. And I don't know, I think my cousin looked it up because we were watching it, and it actually means something in the in the mountains.

SPEAKER_03 14:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:47

Oh, I believe it. That's wouldn't that be s can you imagine like living on a farm and then like hearing the cows moo all together, like in a way you've never heard that before?

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Oh my god, that would be so fucking creepy. You have no neighbors be like, are you fucking hearing this? Like you're Irish South.

SPEAKER_04 15:07

Yeah, and if I was with you, you'd be like, take her! You throw me out, you bitch.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

I feel like which one of us only if it's aliens.

SPEAKER_04 15:18

I feel like which one of us are is leaving? We wouldn't know. We'd have to just stay up.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Um, if something falls off the shelf, something from the other side is reaching for you.

SPEAKER_04 15:35

Oh, ooh, I like that. I know me too. Say that again so that they can hear it.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

If something falls off the shelf, something from the other side is reaching for you. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

I like that. Uh detail.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

Detail. And then I guess last but not least, um, never speak ill of the dead. Which I think is kind of across the board. Which sometimes it's hard because, like, if we're talking about like, say, a serial killer that is dad, why can we not speak ill of him?

Graveyard Karma And Family Ghost Stories

SPEAKER_04 16:27

Yeah, I see that. Like, look, my grandpa wasn't the nicest man. I mean, he made a lot of lot of mistakes, my mom's dad. Um, and like my cousin still like really hates him, kind of, for like what he did to her dad, but I've since I've gotten even since I've gotten older, I just try to say, you know what? He must have gone without love somewhere in his life to have acted like that. You know what I mean? Because I am scared. I'm like, well, because he was really mad at me one time. You guys, this is a true story. He told my Aunt Connie, he was so mad at me, I didn't get the right kind of cheese for him. I'd like I didn't get like the large curds, I got like the small ones. And he carry you. He pretty much said that I was a fucking I was a fucking raging bitch. And he told Aunt Connie that uh when I come to visit him, um, because my grandma, he was gonna be buried right by grandma, that he was gonna pull me through the grass.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

If I got if I got close enough.

SPEAKER_04 17:34

That's so funny. And I'm like, damn. But jokes on him because grandma has been gone since 2000. So she's been gone for 26 years. Her grave looks beautiful. Now Papa has only been gone for eight years. His his Oh my god, my mom's gonna kick me in the face right now. His marker is like half in the ground and half up. I didn't do any listen, I swear to god, you can ask Paul. Last time we were out there, Paul's like, wow, look at the irony in that.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

You know what, so like eventually karma makes to a full circle. It might take a really long time. Yeah. Well, he wasn't the I I speak yellow of the duds sometimes, and I don't know Corissa. I know, I know, I know. One of it. One of it. Do a bit. I know, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_04 18:45

If you guys, if you guys haven't been able to tell, we're actually kind of friends.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

No. We only are ghost hunting friends. Oh. And um Eloise, come on over. Yeah, she's got a best friend named Eloise. I think Elohim was like, oh, when am I gonna meet Eloise? She went shooting away. And I was being fucking gullible, but uh, she was fucking with me.

SPEAKER_04 19:20

I was like, girl, you've already met Eloise. You don't remember her?

SPEAKER_01 19:24

I'm like, no, I don't. What was she like?

SPEAKER_04 19:29

Talk about Eloise the billing, you dipshit.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

You know where we met.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

I don't I don't where did we meet? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

Oh, are you the one having to mention now? I thought I was the older one. Out of the two of us.

SPEAKER_04 19:47

I mean, I did have a geriatrics pregnancy, so go easy.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

Hey, so did I, so did I.

SPEAKER_04 19:52

You weren't geriatrics?

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Yes, I was anything over 30 as geriatrics.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Okay, so you were 32.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

No, I was 30.

SPEAKER_04 20:02

Okay, so I was six years older than you having a child. So, I want my golden wheelchair.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Oh my god. I'm gonna tell them our plans of our nursing home has to be.

SPEAKER_04 20:23

Okay, well, here's the thing. We won't be able to afford the nursing home, so we need plan B. We're just gonna die in the shed.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

We're gonna be those old ladies that were gonna uh one of those old droping and mausoleums will fix it up and we head into our little home.

SPEAKER_04 20:45

Bitch, you are too close to me. That's not enough room.

SPEAKER_03 20:51

Alright, you probably next part of me.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

Yeah, you give me like the it's gonna look like a beaver hunt, and you're gonna hit Listen. Anytime we go, like when we've been with our husbands at these cemeteries, Krista wants like a um Athena looking, like mythology-looking, I don't even know, like paradise Beyonce. Whole freaking she wants like an arena for her grave site.

SPEAKER_01 21:20

Well, yeah, I do. I want whole. I want a spinning branch. Oh my god. What? And you know, they got these really cool, like little QR codes that you can like scan and it has like a person's like autobiography or biography or whatever. Autobiography.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

I'm sure we can look you up on Wikipedia because you are famous. We can't even get through this fucking episode.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

I just say I want my story to be out there and not only when those hunters come pop and by my gravestone a hundred years later when none of my family remembers me. They're gonna remember me. And of course they're gonna come over to my gravestone because it's fucking gorgeous.

SPEAKER_04 22:23

Okay, Athena, in the afterlife of mythology.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

You know, I'm like gonna do it so in that spare box, then man, I'll just stupid talking away.

SPEAKER_04 22:37

Yeah, you will be. You're gonna be like, it was 97 years ago on this podcast. I can only imagine the technology then.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

What is one thing being more advanced in technology? Like really go off the chain, like babies.

SPEAKER_04 23:06

Yeah. I think like men will start caring. Um, I think you're gonna see women more like in like the dad roles, and like the men are gonna be more feminine because they're gonna be able to plant babies anywhere. Like they're just gonna start making them like sea monkeys. Yeah, because there's there's already such a low on um um birth rates, birth rates, yeah, and fertility.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

Okay, but you're also aware that you say that because it kind of incorrelates to like hands made tails. Uh-huh. All that. But then you have the opposite thought process of you know, top-up population control. So that's why some are you are not taking sides or anything, but like why people like are pushing like trans generals and the scroll and that role and you know, same-sex uh couples because they're not reproducing. Right? So, I don't know, that's an interesting thought. Yeah. Because they can go to both extremes.

SPEAKER_04 24:32

I mean, I think like they're gonna be like alien babies. I think all the babies will look the same. Um, I think like it will be like going to like a cute key uh kiosk stand and like picking out what kind of baby you want.

SPEAKER_01 24:48

Which is kind of scary because that's kind of like um kind of like what Antler was like obsessed with. Um blue eyes. Blue eyes and black eyes. Yeah, the each turn they sent, you know, beating out what he considered was not good in a person and attracting what was.

SPEAKER_04 25:09

Didn't it turn out that he was actually Jewish though?

SPEAKER_01 25:14

Um, I don't think that that part was proven, but he definitely wasn't um 100% Austrian.

SPEAKER_04 25:21

And Austria is like the little part underneath Germany, right?

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Yeah, yeah. So it's just kind of scary to think that if they were gonna go down like that, we have that kind of like order lighting Hitler. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

So did you watch the new spin-off of um Hands Meet Tales?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

Uh yeah, I watched the first three episodes or four.

SPEAKER_04 25:56

How is it?

SPEAKER_01 25:58

It's actually really good. It's interesting. Um have you watched it or no?

SPEAKER_04 26:04

No, because I've been on the show Paradise on Hulu.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Uh, I just watched um Unchosen.

SPEAKER_04 26:11

Um, that's the one in the spin-off of Handsmaid.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

No, no, that's the Testament. Oh chosen. Unchosen, it was like this like called. And it was like uh limited series kind of like TV show. It was actually really good.

SPEAKER_04 26:33

Oh, I'm glad you clarified that because I thought that was a spinoff.

Weird Origins Of Everyday Products

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Mm-mm. No. So let's take that to my nose because I know we kinda took a swirl moment. Whoops. We'll see something when that happens. I got three everyday kind of products, and I want you to tell me what they're supposed to be used for now, and I'll tell you what they were originally made for.

SPEAKER_04 27:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Test me. Alright, I'll do the easy one first. List your remouthwash.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

Okay. But wait, can can I take can I take a guess at what it is?

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 27:25

It would have been um like uh antibiotic, not antibiotic, uh antibacterial for surgeries, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

You're warm.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

I'm warm?

SPEAKER_01 27:40

No, you're warm. It was actually supposed to be a installed floor cleaner used in hospital. Okay. Alright, I was close. People started gargling and saying, wait, this makes my glasses smell looking good. So the company like panicked and they created the word kalatosis just to convince everyone that they need mouthwash.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

Wow. That's cool. That's crazy. That's that's like I love these fun facts.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

So do I, and like, you know what? I I thank God every single day that I was born in the 80s, and we grew up in the time before there was electronics and all this digital information right at your fingertips.

SPEAKER_04 28:31

Right. Because we I think it would have been a scarier world.

SPEAKER_01 28:35

Yeah. But it's just so cool that we can find out all these fun things online in a matter of seconds, whereas like in the 80s or 90s, we would have never known this shit. You would have had to go to like a maybe if we looked it off like an encyclopedia.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

Yeah, the library.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Yeah, before computers. Well, before the internet, I shouldn't say not before computers.

SPEAKER_04 29:00

I was gonna say computer don't age us that much.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Yeah, yeah, I know no. I meant the internet. Sorry. Okay, next one.

unknown 29:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 29:10

Play-doh. What is it? Play-doh. Play-doh? Okay, well, we know what play-doh is. It's um like little you can make little clay figures.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_04 29:23

But was it was it used for penis casts? Is that what it was supposed to be?

SPEAKER_03 29:31

Yes, no.

SPEAKER_04 29:32

Oh, I was like, damn! You bitch! I just got excited.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

I figured, but no, I first see your bubble now. It it was not that interesting.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

Okay, what is it?

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Like I a gas free dick is way more interesting than this. It started off as wallpaper cleaner.

SPEAKER_04 29:55

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

So homeworkers would use it to roll up like the coal stains from dirty walls from like these in their fireplace. And then teachers found it, and you know, the rest of the floor.

SPEAKER_04 30:09

Well, what do the teachers do with it? No, they're lying, girl. You know they're lying. They were making mini dildos. I know, I know it.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Yeah, it gets all hard and it just horrible stuff.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

Oh bro. Oh my no, no, no. Alright, the last one, WD40.

SPEAKER_04 30:36

Oh shit. Okay. Um, it's used for like an oil to lubricate, right?

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

Okay, yes. Okay, WD40. What do you think it was originally made for?

SPEAKER_04 30:51

W D40. Maybe for bones? Like after you put screws in them, like surgeries?

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 31:01

Mind you, one more guess. For to blow up places.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Well, sorta. Oh. So it was originally made for nuclear missiles. Um, it's a secret rust-proof formula to protect the rocket parts during the cold war. It's fixed like, you know, squeaky doors. And WD-40 realized they'd make more money for that than for nuclear missiles.

SPEAKER_04 31:42

Damn, that was close.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Pretty good. I don't wow, very good.

SPEAKER_04 31:48

Thank you. I just figured because of the potency of like the smell of it. Because I I was thinking like like brake cleaner.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah. Well then it's pretty, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

I think so, but I don't I know we like started a massive fire putting brake cleaner on a bonfire before, so.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

Oh. Oh, you're crazy.

SPEAKER_04 32:20

You're just biting this out.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

That's one time.

Potato Launchers And Accidental Bomb Talk

SPEAKER_04 32:26

I actually made a bomb accidentally out of dry ice.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Did you be in the wait, wait, should we be inviting this on the card? Oh yeah, I got caught.

SPEAKER_04 32:37

I got caught. Okay, okay, okay. So then continue. And then I also used to make potato lodgers. I used to get really stoned with my friends and make them, and we used to like put potatoes in there and launch them across this fucking field. Well, my old boyfriend's stepdad was like fire chief, right? Of war. And he comes out and he's like, um, so I'm gonna need you to drop that and go home. And I'm like, okay. And he's like, that's actually considered a bomb, a nuclear weapon. And I'm like, or not a nuclear, I'm sorry, not a nuclear weapon. I said that the wrong way. It's actually considered like a bomb, like a homemade bomb.

unknown 33:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:18

Because I don't know why I said nuclear. Because I was I was just I was drawing nucleuds, like when you were talking about the WD-40. Yeah. And he's like, Melissa, you could go to like jail for this. And I'm like, it's a potato launcher. He's like, yeah, and it's a bomb. I'm like, it is? And he's like, yeah. He goes, and on top of it, he's like, there's re there's um uh like reserves back here for foxes. I didn't know that. I didn't know that was like they were reserving the land for foxes. So I was Okay. But I want to make a potato launcher again. It's so much fun. You do PVC pipe and then Can you imagine?

SPEAKER_01 34:05

What are you fucking in jail for? I'm sitting next to dumbass because she wanted a fucking potato launcher. Potato!

SPEAKER_04 34:19

Oh my god. That's so funny. I said Oh, do you guys hear Carissa?

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Oh god, you're gonna fucking yourself.

Tarot Pulls And Trip Decision

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Jesus take the wheel, we are back. We had a little technical difficulty.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 34:38

But we are so Teresa had or Teresa. Wait, your your Carissa had Teresa. Wow. Okay, Carissa. I'm thinking Teresa because you're getting those implant things, but Carissa had throat surgery because she's the throat goat. Um and she was worried that her voice was gonna change, and I was thinking, no, bitch, you're saying cackly with me. Now we're like witchy cackling. And I I told her, I said, watch us hop back on, and we're just cackling like witches the whole entire time. They're like, alright, these girls, like, I'm just I'm high on life, you know? Do you want me to read the answers that I got really quick before you start your next segment?

SPEAKER_03 35:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

Okay, so I got four yeses, and I got a maybe. Okay. So temperance, so balance, harmony, moderation, patience, being sensible, purpose, finding meaning. And that's number uh five. Then I got number seven, cancer. Um basically movement, progress, action, determination, willpower, control, direction, courage, victory, and a journey. Which we will need courage to go. Oh my gosh. Yes, yes, we are. Oh, three, my number. Um, collaboration, learning, building something, skills, security, goals, long-term rewards.

SPEAKER_01 36:32

And that is all about us those team. And that is the rewards, the learning, us being good partners when it comes to paranormal investigation, which we work phenomenally well. Like, you're setting this up, and I know to start doing this and start recording, and like we don't really have to say much, we just get the shit done.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

We just get her done. Now, this the last yes is number one, and it's in Gemini. Go figure. Mental clarity, success breakthroughs, new ideas, success, sharp mind, new beginnings, decisions, and surgery. Girl, you cannot make that up. Swear to God. No. Now the last one is a maybe, and it's number two. Multiple priorities, news, time management, juggling adaptability, negotiating balance, decisions, and weighing options.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Okay, so that just means we have to make sure that we make the best time that we trend their organized.

SPEAKER_04 37:55

One, you have to overcome a fear. So are you gonna tell them or are you gonna wait?

Returning To Madison Seminary

SPEAKER_01 38:00

Yes. Alright, so we got a few yeses, so yes. We are going back to turn roll Madison Seminary in Madison, Ohio. And I, if you guys have listened to our Madison Seminary episode, which I really hope you have, um, it kind of goes through our first time going there. And I had a very, very, very scary experience there, and I feel like I need to um overcome my fear. Yes. And it's really, oh god, this place definitely from the moment we walked in, correct me if I'm wrong, but like the minute we walked in, it was walking above us. It was instant. Like I knew it was gonna be a good night. I remember telling me. Yep. And when we all took that group picture, what was in that fucking picture?

SPEAKER_04 39:10

We don't know. It was some extra person that wasn't even there with us. It was like the moment of like um the part on the shining movie.

SPEAKER_01 39:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

Where like things appear.

SPEAKER_01 39:22

Yeah, it was crazy. And then I saw something, I'm not gonna get into it too much. Maybe I'll rehash that story when we do our follow-up podcast on our investigation, but um, I did see something that was not it was something demonic.

SPEAKER_04 39:45

Yep, and Scott seen a glimpse of it.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Yeah. It was oh I'm beginning to be spimballs just talking about it.

SPEAKER_04 39:56

She cried, I've never seen her cry and a ghost hunt.

SPEAKER_01 40:00

I'm usually pretty cold. Uh yeah, I cried and I cheated my pants. Yeah. And I was gonna lie about it. I cheated my pants.

SPEAKER_04 40:09

Yeah, she was scared as hell. And I had to uh go fight a homeless person on the street to give her new pants. Oh jeez. Okay, so just give them like a an idea on how big this building is. Because it's three buildings in one, right?

SPEAKER_01 40:31

Yeah, so it was like um, I don't I'll go through all of them.

SPEAKER_04 40:37

Abraham Lincoln had something to do with it, right? The boys reformery or something.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Uh was for Abraham Lincoln, but yes, it was it was functioned as like the school house, but all um, remember in the very beginning it was for families that had been like the husbands of the Civil War, and they killed the families and moved in there.

SPEAKER_04 41:01

Yep, I remember that now.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

Um, same with like soldiers, sailors, marines. Um it was um a school, it was a price night, it was a hospital, it was a whole bunch of things.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

Yeah, American, it was housing for the families of those killed in American Civil War. Um it's one of the most supposedly haunted places in Ohio. Blah, blah, blah. Madison High School, Cyrus Hartle of the first teacher. Okay, women's relief corpse home, Ohio Department Mental Hygiene. I'm sorry, hygiene and corrections. Um I just want to see really quick, Madison Seminary, Ohio. Cause you guys, it's been a while since we have um been here. It's been what five years?

SPEAKER_01 42:02

Uh something like that. It's it's been a couple years. It's definitely been a couple years, and it's something that I told about for a while. That is something that I need to go back to to go back up to that third floor and be able to walk down in a hall.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

Well, that was up in the attic, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

No, it was right next to the R A T E room. Oh, remember it was in that hallway because you guys were in that room, and I felt very overwhelmed in that room with all the spirit box session going, and it was just really, really uncomfortable um responses that we were getting. And I decided to step out for a minute, and that's when I saw what I saw.

SPEAKER_04 42:51

You're right. You're right. See, when we go back there, it will probably all come back to me like a Selene Dion song.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

So you pack it so.

SPEAKER_04 43:08

So Elizabeth um styles served as a spy for Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. So she was the one. Um, Elizabeth Stiles is buried in the Middle Ridge Cemetery, located on Middle Ridge Road. Her long history ended at Madison Seminary as she was buried in the seminary cemetery.

unknown 43:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:30

Um, okay, so to summarize the story of Elizabeth Stiles, after her husband was murdered by a Confederate soldier, she went undercover as an elderly nurse and became a Union spy. She would report locations of Federal troops throughout the Civil War and carried on her letter from President Lincoln to ape in crossing over enemy lines and for safe passage back to the north if should or ever been captured by the Union Army. Um So I she was like a quote unquote supposed alleged nurse at Madison Seminary. Oh yeah. And she was a spot. Yeah. Yeah, we got a lot of pictures. There was a lot that happened there.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Yeah, there was. And it is just me and you, and I think, what is it, like 12,000 feet of building or something like that? I can tell you.

SPEAKER_04 44:31

I can tell you the exact Madison Center, Ohio.

unknown 44:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:41

I know the building's old as well. Because the building was built the original, and then the second part of the wing was built on, and then the third part of the wing was built on. So that's another cool part of the building. Because like you can kind of tell like where one arrow starts in the other one.

SPEAKER_04 45:02

Yes, I remember seeing that when you walk out and I love that. Um, so it spans about 70,000 square feet. Today the site is privately owned and still stands as prominent red brick structure with arched windows and doors. Through some parts have been altered or repurposed. Its skill and um architecture detail make it one of the most imposing historic buildings in the region.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Yeah, it's a huge ass building for just you and I to be.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

Yes. So we're gonna have to use our time very, very wisely and leave stuff in one area and investigate another.

SPEAKER_04 45:48

Yep. I know I gotta I gotta.

SPEAKER_01 45:56

Um because it's such a good huge building.

SPEAKER_04 45:59

Yeah, like what if we get lost and we can't oh god, no. Please, I don't need to be hyperventilating.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Yeah, no, we're gonna together.

Mandela Effects Through 90s TV

SPEAKER_04 46:14

Okay, squirrel moment. So let's let's hear your next segment. Alright, so did you ever watch the nanny? The nanny? Yeah. Yes, I did when I was younger.

SPEAKER_01 46:28

Oh my 90s. Okay. So, you wanna hear some Mandela effects and how did you read my fucking mind?

SPEAKER_04 46:37

I just was looking at stuff the other day. I'm like, me and Krista needed to do a new Mandela effect episode. Okay, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Okay. So there was this one scene where Miss Fine's mom was talking to the grandma, and she said, um, you know, what are you expecting? Ed McMahon's publishing clearinghouse is supposed to come here and drop off that chat. Well, the invalid fact, we remember it as Ed McMahon with the publisher's clearinghouse. But according to whoever, he never worked for Publishers Clearinghouse, but he was a spokesperson for a competitor, American Publishers. But that makes no sense because I remember Ed McMahon.

SPEAKER_04 47:37

I thought that was a wrestler guy.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

No. Well, there's a wrestler too, but uh isn't Ed McMahon part of the wrestling industry? I don't know. Let me look that up. Ed McMahon.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

Um, was the American announcer, comedian, game, show host, actor, and spokesman, best known for Johnny Carson's longtime sidekick on the Tonight Show. Here's Johnny.

SPEAKER_01 48:13

Okay, yeah. But so if he never worked for Publishers Clearing House, then why wasn't that on the nanny? In the 90s. Because you can't erase everything from history.

SPEAKER_04 48:29

Okay, it's saying that Ed McMahon never worked for Publishers Clearinghouse. He was a spokesperson for American Family Publishers as a separate sweepstakes company.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

Right. But nobody remembers American publishers, but everyone remembers publishers' clearing house.

SPEAKER_04 48:49

Yeah, because I always tried to win that.

SPEAKER_01 48:51

Right. You got it along with your stack of all the other um garbage commercial papers.

SPEAKER_04 49:02

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

So it was another episode where um the saying, Lucy, you got some explaining to do.

SPEAKER_04 49:20

Yeah, I love Lucy.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

Right, I said that it was never said on the show. But it was said on the nanny. And I remember it being said on I Love Lucy.

SPEAKER_04 49:35

What do you wait wait what are you saying? So it wasn't what was never said on the nanny.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

No, on I Love Lucy. Lucy, that's what I'm explaining to do was never said on the show.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

According to internet, no. Look it up.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

I love Lucy. Um explaining, not explaining, explaining. Uh despite its fame, the line, Lucy, you have some splaining to do was never actually spoken on. I love Lucy. Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

See? I know. Fucking crazy. So why would the nanny reference something that never fucking existed? I'm sorry, I love the nanny, and I love Fran, and I love the voice, and um, but she was not popular enough for everyone to remember that one time it was set on one episode and connected to the whole I love Lucy.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

It's saying variations like Lucy Splainin' or Alright Start Splainin' were used, but the full catchphrase became famous through uh media references rather than the original show. Over time, merchandise, blogs, and social media reinforced the line, embedding it in collective memory. The phenomenon is an example of a Mandela effect where a large group of people remember something that never actually occurred. Similar cases include Darth Vader's Luke, I am your father, which he always said, that's what he said, and the Bernstein Bears spelling confusion.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

And the writing changed in between one door to another, it changed the the writing, and it was like it was like an altered timeline that the book was going in and out of. I don't know, I saw it a long time ago and I it stuck with me. I don't know why I'm talking about it, but it's another Mandela effect. Yes. Damn. Okay, another mandela effect. Um, on the nanny, they were talking about depends. And you know what depends are, right?

SPEAKER_04 52:16

Yeah, doll diapers.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Okay. Was it depends or depend?

SPEAKER_04 52:22

Depends. No depend. No s. No. Bullshit. Bullshit. Oh shit. Let me look that one up. Depends. Alright. It says right here, depends adult diapers. Oh, it does say depend. What?

SPEAKER_01 52:46

I know. Fucking mind blowing, right? Shit, we remember to what it is that like call it whatever the fuck you want, but I'm telling you right now, my mind is not green.

SPEAKER_04 53:02

Did you see the fun yin one?

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 53:06

I'm like, no no no no. No no no no. It's fun yin, like fun yun, like onion, like fun onion. Not fun yon, like Y-U-N or whatever. Funyons. It's not fun yon. No, not funyon. That sounds like French.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

And the last one that the nanny referenced on the TV show is when the butler came out in oh, well, okay, you've seen 1983's whiskey business, right? Yes, yes. Time cruise. Time cruise. Okay. What what does he rock at? He rocked socks. Underwear socks? Yep. Yeah. The white button-down shirt, the socks, and uh whitey tighties. Well that what's on his face?

SPEAKER_04 53:53

His sunglasses.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Yeah, well, guess what? Why? No sunglasses ever in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Bullshit!

SPEAKER_01 54:03

But yet in the nanny. There was a scene happening and he had sunglasses on.

SPEAKER_04 54:10

I'm looking at Alpha Monet. Images. Yes, he's got his glasses on on every single Oh no, right here. Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

They're saying no.

SPEAKER_04 54:24

Bullshit. They're lying.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

They be lying, girls. Wow. So we had all the facts that were backed up by a beloved TV show that really packed up with a lot of the you know, oh, what word am I looking for? Like social media and influencers and popular people of that time that kept up with the tons. So why would they make up shit like that? This doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_04 55:06

Wow. That's insane because it was all about the glasses.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

I know. Crazy.

SPEAKER_04 55:16

Wow. I just can't get over that. Like why? I don't but what's the point of making us believe something else?

SPEAKER_01 55:26

I think because in this altered universe that they made for us, they got a little sloppy on the small details of things, and it keeps the rest of us satisfied and pacified, and just oh okay, it's a Mantella path. When really they fucked up and they don't want us to help.

SPEAKER_04 55:48

Because we're in another timeline. Yep. After in Sun's COVID. I don't like this timeline.

Listener Messages And Voicemails

SPEAKER_01 55:58

No. So yeah, if anybody else has some crazy manzella effects, like please share with us and we will share with the rest of you guys. Yeah. I love talking about these.

SPEAKER_04 56:14

And if you guys want to email us, which you still can, Ghost Sisters2124 at Gmail, but Buzz Sprout has a couple new features on it. So along with directly messaging us and we'll get a text message, you can also leave us a voicemail. So if you use BuzzSprout's site and you put in Strange Strange Beyond Insane, you can go in there and there will be an option for you to leave us an actual voicemail. And we will get it right away. And yes, we want to know more of Mandela effects, what you guys like about this, what you hate, suggestions, spooky stories. Uh you could be an ominous, you can come on the show. And yeah, we should be going uh do a little spooky something before we go on our trip. So I'm sure we'll have more to talk about in the next week, right?

Spontaneous Human Combustion Case

SPEAKER_01 57:02

Yes. Absolutely. Should I end the podcast with one of my interesting stories for curious people? Yes, please. Alright. It's called Unka Hunk of Burning Love. On February 20th, 1725, one of the strangest criminal cases in history happened in Reeves, France. On the morning in question, Gene Millett awakened his man he owned and operated with his wife. Surveying the establishment, he found a pile of ashes and a few internal organs in the kitchen. Those were the remains of James White Nicole. Beautiful. During, I know, I started off strong. Um, during a time when modern science was in its relative infancy, the thing was particularly perplexing to investigators. There was little left in the coal, which would indicate an extremely hot fire, but little else in the kitchen had been burned. The bizarre situation began to look especially bad for Gene when it was rumored that he was cheating on his alcoholic wife with one of the maids at the end. Oops.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 58:28

Um, he was charged with murder and later convicted and sent to prison. But Gene appealed his case, and during his second trial, he called a young surgeon named Nicholas Lacte to testify on his behalf. Lacotte argued on the stand that there was no way a person could have started a fire and would have consumed the body so quickly and without causing major damage to the rest of the room. Mrs. Millet, therefore, must have been a victim of spontaneous combustion.

SPEAKER_04 59:00

Holy shit. There's only been like four records of that, right? Three?

SPEAKER_01 59:06

Yeah, something like that. It says, that's right, Jill Gene Millett used the spontaneous combustion defense and actually won. In the centuries that followed, this defense has never again been used in a murder trial. But there have been hundreds of other cases of spontaneous combustion throughout the world. These cases are rarely witnessed and usually involve someone finding a person's remains in a pile of ashes with brittle fire damage done to the surrounding area. As creepy and supernatural as spontaneous combustions may sound, scientists think that there is a logical explanation for most cases. Investigators have shown that in many of these cases, the victims were smokers who fell asleep with a lip cigarette, which is what happily happened in Nicole Miller's case. This surely sounds logical, but not every case of spontaneous combustion has involved smokers. So that is that leads us with many unsolved cases that are spontaneous combustion. Luckily, cases are so rare you probably won't have to worry about it unless you're a smoker, in which that case is just another good reason that's like.

unknown 1:00:44

Huh.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:46

Yeah, they don't. I'm telling you, man, they don't want to explain that. They don't want to dig in. You know, maybe they're in the wrong timeline.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:54

Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

And they're like, poof, be gone. That would be so fucking crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Oh, I don't like you anymore. Be gone. It's search for purpose.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:08

Yeah, didn't that happen with one lady when they were doing surgery on her and her gases after she combusted, like killed like several like nurses and like a couple doctors? What? Yeah. That's crazy. Really quick, let me look that up. Hold on. Lady. Uh-huh.

unknown 1:01:28

Um, combust human combustion.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:34

Sorry, I'm getting congestion. My god, my allergies have been.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:39

That's literally just started with me like ten minutes ago. Pew, I feel you. Human combustion, women and surgery. It says victims as elderly, sometimes alcoholics, torso burn. Where's the lady? The wick effect. The lady and women's surgery. I have to do some research on this, but some woman, like the gases, or no, the gases killed them, but the gases alone should have like blew her up, and I think she did die, but you know what? I don't think that was human combustion. It should have been. But it's like the gases were like so like potent inside of her that it like killed people in the OR room. No shit. It's crazy. There's like so much. We should probably watch out when I release my ducks.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

Red ducks.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:52

Red ducks, you know? No. You know, those those ducks that I let slip sometimes.

Wrap Up And Next Cult Tease

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

Well, that went over bad for a second. I knew it. So it's two stupid podcasters, right? Yep. Oh we are.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:16

Yeah, why would they come after us? We don't know anything about the scientists.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

Thank you for having me on tonight. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:26

We'll have to have many more.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:28

Yes, absolutely. And I cannot wait for the next, well, I don't know, in the next couple podcasts. I really have a cult that I'm gonna want you to talk about.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:41

A cult? Yeah. Do you hear my ears perk up? A what? Yes. Yeah. Next week. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

Cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:53

Alright, you guys. Well, that is um one of many of Carissa's podcasts, and she always has some off-the-wall shit, and I love it. And we laugh and cackle and we have squirrel moments, but they're very, they're always very interesting episodes. And again, you guys, anywhere that you listen to your podcast at, any platform, you can find this on there. And uh stay tuned. We'll be chatting soon.