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Strange Deranged Beyond Insane
Haunted Discoveries: Behind the Scenes With Producer/Investigator Kevin Otte and Co Host Jenny
Step into the world of evidence-based paranormal investigation with Kevin Otte, a veteran ghost hunter and star of Haunted Discoveries. Having documented unexplained phenomena across 57 episodes spanning five seasons, Kevin brings a refreshingly methodical approach to a field often dominated by dramatic reactions and exaggerated claims.
Our conversation reveals the fascinating intersection of history and haunting, as Kevin details his team's commitment to preserving historical narratives through paranormal investigation. From the mysterious light phenomenon at Harriman Hospital that defied explanation to the centuries-old Jailer's Inn with its documented ghost stories dating back to the early 1900s, each location offers a window into both the past and the unexplained. What sets Haunted Discoveries apart is their scientific approach—using specialized equipment including their custom Atmospheric Phenomenon Logger to document environmental changes that correlate with paranormal activity.
Perhaps most compelling is Kevin's exploration of thought-form manifestation—the possibility that repeatedly telling stories about a location might actually create paranormal phenomena there. This concept raises profound questions about the nature of reality itself. Are we merely documenting what's already there, or could our collective consciousness be creating these experiences? As Kevin shares his experiences investigating not only ghosts but also UFO phenomena as Kentucky's MUFON chief investigator, the boundaries between different types of unexplained events begin to blur.
The conversation takes fascinating turns through discussions of shadow people, the mysterious Hat Man entity, and whether sleep paralysis might represent moments when humans briefly perceive entities from beyond "the veil." Throughout it all, Kevin maintains the perspective of his law enforcement background: examining evidence, eliminating conventional explanations, and building a case for what remains unexplained.
For anyone fascinated by the paranormal but tired of theatrics, this episode offers a thoughtful exploration of what happens when we approach the unexplained with curiosity, respect, and scientific rigor. Watch for Season 5 of Haunted Discoveries coming in early 2023, and catch past episodes streaming on Haunt TV.
Good evening everyone. Welcome back to Strange Deranged Beyond Insane. And tonight I have our co-host, jen, here with us, and then we also have Kevin from Haunted Discovery, so we're going to let them do some Q&As and we're going to get to know Kevin. Go ahead, jen, start it off with you, hi, kevin.
Speaker 2:Good afternoon.
Speaker 3:Why don't you go ahead and tell us a little bit about yourself and the show?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So going back, I started investigating probably around 2006, I guess 2007, somewhere in that area, with a team called Cape Girardeau Paranormal Research out of Missouri, and moved to LA in 2008, I'm sorry, 2009. And shortly after I moved, there is when I met Brandon and we stayed in touch ever since. We'd done a few investigations together in LA over the years and 2018, I moved kentucky, started working for a production company here and um decided we wanted to do a paranormal show, and so I reached out to brandon and you know to see what we could get put together and haunted discoveries evolved out of that awesome um, that's you dogs.
Speaker 1:I know stupid dogs, sorry um with uh Haunted Discoveries.
Speaker 3:Do you have a favorite episode that you guys have done?
Speaker 2:oh, we've so far we've filmed five seasons, uh, four seasons have been released. The fifth one is still being edited. There have been some pretty memorable locations throughout our runs. I think we've done 57 episodes so far, something like that 56. Uh, some of the most memorable I mean gosh, we had so many. I mean um, one of the ones that kind of sticks out the most for me would probably be, uh, season 4, episode 12, when we were down in Harlan, kentucky, down in the coal coal area and just um some stuff we encountered on that episode.
Speaker 2:Um season four, we also did the town of rugby in Tennessee. That was pretty interesting. We had some good stuff going on there. We were in the town for, I think, seven days total and um really cool place. It's just a small society. A lot of the um family of the original founders are still in the area, so that's kind of cool okay, and some of the original houses are still there. A lot of them now are bed and breakfasts so you can actually go stay there. Christy and Miranda that run the Scott County Jail in Tennessee, they also do the After Dark Tours in Rugby, and so they got a pretty cool little setup there to go check out the places we've done throughout Kentucky. I mean, perryville has been great. Brandon is a resident of Perryville. Perryville has been great. Uh, brandon is a resident of Perryville now and has the uh, dr JJ Polk house that he bought and just opened that up for investigations. That's a really cool place. We had some really good activity there which, uh, you know that'll be coming out whenever season five is released.
Speaker 3:Oh, awesome that's going to be on that season.
Speaker 2:It's on season five, awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that looks like a really nice house. I saw that he I believe he posted that on his Facebook no-transcript.
Speaker 1:We're going to take one technical break. Hey everyone, welcome back. We had a little bit of a technical difficulty. This is the third time now that we're trying to record with Kevin and he has been such a good sport. Thank you, and now, Jenny, you can proceed.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, go ahead, um so we were talking about haunted discoveries. Now I would like to talk about the Harriman hospital. I know we um discussed that on the first round of uh, this podcast. We tried doing um the light you guys found or saw um. That was super, super interesting and I like Harriman hospital as a whole, like a lot of things I've you.
Speaker 1:They have been in Waverly Hills episode too, Didn't they the light down the hall?
Speaker 2:Not like this.
Speaker 3:No, this was crazy. I like um and I don't want to get her name wrong the girl in the in the show with you.
Speaker 2:Malia.
Speaker 3:Yes, she, if I remember correctly, compared it to Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Oh, she was like. It was like. I mean it lit up like windows. I have to see that I haven't gotten to that one yet. It looked like someone put like high beams on a door. It was crazy.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:And what do you personally think that might have been? If you have any thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:What gets me the most interesting with that clip is you don't see it as much in the full frame, but later on, when Brandon's showing it to Mustafa on the small monitor, right before that happens, you actually see a shadow go across the frame, shoot down the hallway and about the time it blasts through the double doors is when you see the light emit from the other side. Again, keep in mind they did not see this light with their eyes, it was only happening on the screen. So they could look down, see it on the screen, look up and it's still a pitch black hallway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was really interesting look down, see it on the screen, look up and it's still a pitch black hallway. Yeah, that was really interesting. And what I really find interesting is, right after that happens, you have the two solid metal hospital doors. You have the two windows at the top, but in the middle of the windows there is a circle of light on solid doors no idea what, where, where, how that could happen. It reminded me of, like you know, in ghostbusters, when they're upstairs in that hotel and slimer goes through the wall and leaves that residue on the back side. Yeah, that's what it reminds me of.
Speaker 3:It's like a residue of that shadow shooting through those doors yeah, as soon, as soon as you said Ghostbusters, I knew what you were going to say. And no, I think she said she either said close encounters or she said like a UFO. I don't remember exactly how she phrased it, but I was like, wow, that's perfect, because that's exactly what it looked like to me, because it lit up the hole. That was pretty crazy to see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was wild.
Speaker 3:So Sorry, that was wild.
Speaker 2:So Sorry, that was me. My cord was tangled.
Speaker 3:You're good, you're good. Just threw me off because I was like, oh, she's not used to hearing herself.
Speaker 1:No, I don't like it. You want to start singing?
Speaker 3:I knew oh no, I knew, oh no. So with can you just kind of give us maybe a description or kind of what you guys look for when you go into an investigation? Like do people contact you wanting to figure out like what's going on or the reasoning behind it? Like, what do you guys go in to find?
Speaker 2:So we really like. I mean, one of the biggest things with APRA is the history and preservation of history of these locations and so going into them, we like to have places that have a good historical significance to it, as well as paranormal claims, using equipment a lot of equipment, not necessarily made for paranormal investigating to try to document as much as we can collect data that can be analyzed by a third party. It's a lot of these places have familial connections to them, which is really interesting. It's not all your haunted, scary ghostly stuff. There's a lot of like season one episode one, when we did Conrad Caldwell House, Once we brought Beth in, who is an ancestor of the family, it was like her grandmother had reached out, because we picked up that voice of her grandmother saying her name and so it was a very loving type haunting. When we investigated Whitehall the lady we interviewed there she said it's not haunted, it's inhabited. She said this is their house and so not everything's your scary ghost running around type stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, slamming doors and appearing to go to your bed in the middle of the night, right.
Speaker 2:And it's about preserving these places, it's about telling their history accurately, backing it up with documentation and that type of stuff backing it up with documentation and that type of stuff.
Speaker 3:Oh, I would think that that helps a lot of locations out, kind of because I know some people when they hear of a place being haunted they automatically don't want to go in. So I think if they hear the history and it's not necessarily anything bad it may help the location out with.
Speaker 2:Uh, yeah, yeah, and when you um, you know, start involving you know ghost stories with these locations, people are more apt to learn about the history. Because you know, like I always say, it's like you tell people, oh, you want to hear some cool history, they're like eh, you want to hear ghost story? Yeah, let's, let's hear one. So you put the two together and then they're like, they learn the history without realizing they're learning the history yeah, I can't say I used to be one of those people so it's like tell me the scary I don't even look, I don't even want.
Speaker 1:I'd like to go into places blindfolded now, yeah, I don't even want to know, I just want to see what I pick up, and then I like to do research after I like that method, though I know a few investigators that do it that way Sometimes you can't help yourself, though I do have a question for you, and I know we talked about this last time Since you've come onto this show now this show you said everyone is live Like it's not pre-recordings, right?
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:So do you feel like you've gotten like more or less on activity since you've now you have like a whole filming, like production thing going on, or do you feel like you had more activity before?
Speaker 2:I think a lot of it just depends on the energy. Yeah, you know, when we're in places, it's us with a camera person and a sound person. It's not like a whole production crew in there following us around. No, we still keep it very limited to the amount of people inside the location.
Speaker 1:Oh good, less noise. I guess too yeah.
Speaker 2:Less noise, less contamination. But, yeah, we keep it as small and controlled and contained as possible. And again, I think a lot of it just has to do with the energy of the people and, um, you know, kind of our thoughts going into the places okay now.
Speaker 3:Um, like we were just talking about, you know history and hauntings go hand in hand, usually with each other. Um, have you ever gone into a location where that may not have fit? Like you come across something that has no ties to the building or anything like that, where the history kind of doesn't line up with the property?
Speaker 2:We have had places like that, where you know there's some places we go where it's just hard to find any history of the property. There's been places where, like, I can't think of the place right off hand but where, like, a fire destroyed a lot of the documents. There wasn't a lot to be able to research and stuff like that. So we just had to do the best that we can with what we have and hopefully be able to get some answers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that would be hard. I know there's places we've investigated where they couldn't tell us too much of what could be going on there, just because the history is pretty much erased.
Speaker 2:And then you take places like, let's say, bobby Mackey's, for instance. When that was there, you know you had the whole story about the well from hell and how all this pig's blood was drained down and stuff like that, which was never the fact. Yes, there was a slaughterhouse on that property, but it was up further on the property per the Sanborn fire maps. Um, where Bobby Mackey's was, that well was actually part of the distillery and that's how they would bring in water for the distilling process from the Licking River. So very doubtful that there was ever any type of pig's blood ever drained in that well or anything like that.
Speaker 3:See, that's good to know because you hear so many different stories and urban legends and everything that goes around with these places.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and like the whole story of Pearl Bryan, she never had a connection to Bobby Mackey's. You know, they may have driven past there after she was killed or whatever like that, but she was never associated with the location.
Speaker 3:Huh, so the whole thing with her head being thrown in a well, very doubtful Wow, okay, yeah, I think I heard that her head was thrown in there and then, like, found it down the stream or something. No, what did you think of? You? Investigated at Bobby Mackey's right.
Speaker 2:I've been there a few times.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what did you think of the location?
Speaker 2:It's an active location. It's not the demonic chairs getting thrown at you like people claim that it is. So if you're going in there with kind of that thought process're going to be disappointed, yeah, but it is an active place and that place has quite the history back when it was ran by the mob as the latin quarter and stuff like that. There's been a lot of history in and out of that place yeah, I'm a big believer in um.
Speaker 3:The type of energy you bring into a location is kind of what you get returned back to you.
Speaker 1:We have a lot of places here, through Detroit, through Chicago, with a lot of mob action. Yeah, all through Chicago.
Speaker 2:I'm sure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Chicago has a ton, Well Michigan actually has more.
Speaker 1:Really, you didn't know that Purple gang girl, the best gang there is, tell her Best, gang there is. Tell her, kevin. You know about the Purple Gang, the Robinson Hospital in Elginy, elginy how do you say that? Oh my God, there's so many places. Have you been there? Mm-mm, you'll have to go there, kevin. You guys should definitely go and check that place out the basement.
Speaker 2:Fun place.
Speaker 1:I mean there's a lot of different information. But if you're into the mobs, I mean I love the mob history, just because there's so much cookie crumbs behind it and people are still trying to figure it out and that's why paranormal is so into the mobsters, because a lot of them hid out after being shot A lot of them, you know, at these hospitals and they brought all that energy there and a lot of them hit out after being shot. A lot of them, you know, at these hospitals and they brought all that energy there and a lot of them died too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, A lot of them had secret locations.
Speaker 2:A lot of them committed stuff that they yeah, you know did stuff they shouldn't have done in these locations, that's what I liked about investigating in Hollywood and stuff like that, as you have that old Hollywood history investigating in Hollywood and stuff like that, as you have that old Hollywood history, the old make it or break it, scandalous type stuff, and that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Have you been to the CISO hotel? I was thinking that.
Speaker 2:I've I've been to it. I've not investigated, but I have been to it.
Speaker 1:You have, oh my, and you survived it.
Speaker 2:He's walked in and walked around a little bit.
Speaker 3:It's it's a creepy place it's got a vibe to it and it's not in a very good place. Uh, part of town. No, it's in a very bad town. Yeah, yeah, real close, I want to go so bad, yeah, that story.
Speaker 2:I don't remember that girl's name, uh, may eliza lamb.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, yeah, that's a. That's a very interesting, can you?
Speaker 1:imagine drinking that water and telling them like there's something wrong with this water, Like it stinks, Like it tastes weird yeah. And then you find out there was a body rotting in there, that's oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, and I think the craziest thing about her story is like when she goes into the elevator. You can I mean you can explain that kind of with.
Speaker 2:You know, mental health problems, medicine she might have been on, because I know.
Speaker 3:Well, that's what they tried to do. This documentary I watched, yeah. The crazy part is, though, when they showed the tank that she was floating in, her actually getting in that and having to remove the cover off of that, which they said was virtually impossible for somebody her size. To me that is the crazy part.
Speaker 1:Well, they glitched in the evidence to the um. What do they call the camera? See something to see? The security camera? Yeah, like the cctv yeah it, you can tell where it glitched like they covered it up. Yeah, it's just uh someone killed her.
Speaker 3:That's a that's a very interesting case, and uh there was a um night stalker yeah night stalker is connected to the he's an ugly son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:If I would have woke up and he was at the end of my bed, I would have just been like I'm dead, he is out of.
Speaker 3:He's a creepy dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's a creepy dude there's actually been a few serial killers associated with that hotel really.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I read about any. I know I was watching a documentary on Richard Ramirez. That's where I heard he had ties to the Cecil.
Speaker 1:A lot of them did the Cecil's a.
Speaker 3:I think that's like Probably because it was kind of a shady hotel, yeah, and it was in a bad neighborhood. Well, hollywood's shady LA.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine the energy going into those places? I would just be like, oh yeah, I would love it though.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of oh the cemeteries too Tragedy that happened over there, but okay. So how long have you been personally investigating the paranormal? Did you start, as just you know, when you were little Kevin or?
Speaker 2:I've always been little Kevin.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little whippersnapper. I've always been little Kevin. Yeah, a little whippersnapper.
Speaker 2:I started when I I mean, I've always had an interest in it, but when I was working for the Sheriff's Department in Missouri I was doing some side work for a private investigator and him and his wife had a team and I went out with them for my first time and that's kind of when I got hooked and that was like 2007, I think.
Speaker 3:Okay, do you remember where you went, like where you investigated?
Speaker 2:We went to a private residence that was actually owned by his brother up in Louisiana, missouri. It was a Victorian house built in 1868, I believe. Oh, and it was actually. It was called the Old Maccoon College and it was the first co-ed college west of the Mississippi.
Speaker 3:Wow, okay, so it had a good amount of history to it.
Speaker 2:Good amount of history, good stories to it. It was a lot of fun. I got hooked after that, yeah.
Speaker 3:I think we all have that one place, that kind of hooked us.
Speaker 2:We actually spent the weekend in the house, so it was fun sleeping in it too.
Speaker 3:Did you get any personal activity?
Speaker 2:We got a couple of really good Class A EVPs.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I love EVPs. That's my favorite thing to get on an investigation.
Speaker 1:When you asked him that, what if he would have told you he came out of the womb investigating?
Speaker 3:That would have been pretty cool. Would you have believed him? Yeah, that would be pretty sweet coming out with a little recording. Yep, do you have any like favorite equipment you like using specifically? Like I said, I love doing EVPs. That's my favorite go-to on every investigation. But what would yours be?
Speaker 2:So in Season 4, we got a device called the APL that a guy built for us, the Atmospheric Phenomenon Logger, and it's kind of similar to like an EDI Plus but it has your temperature, your barometric pressure, your humidity, your EMF, it has vibration, it has motion sensor and all that stuff. It has motion sensor and all that stuff. And he actually built us a new one that would premiere in Season 5. That has a live graph on the front of it and it records it to an SD card as well. So if we get anything on that, we can actually take it out and analyze the data.
Speaker 1:That's pretty sweet.
Speaker 2:So that and I like the you know we have the EMCCD camera which picks up single photon events and that type of stuff. Really interesting camera to use, especially if we can correlate things on that with other devices. Okay, for example, our Waverly episode in Season 3, we documented a photon event. At the same time we documented an emf spike on the edi and it threw our magnetic compass off 10 degrees on our um weather logger.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's pretty. All three happened at once all three at the same time and it's on camera wow, can you explain maybe to whoever's listening, if they may not know what like a photon event is, can you explain what that is?
Speaker 2:I wish I really could. Okay, it's like balls of energy and we're trying to see, if you know, if there's any correlation between those and alleged paranormal activity.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, that makes sense, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2:That's why it seems like a lot of times, before we capture something on that or we have, you know, emf hits on devices and stuff like that. It seems like it always correlates with a change in barometric pressure. So we're really looking into, you know, anytime we have pressure hits on our devices, that's one thing we pay attention to, because it just seems like it correlates a lot do you think that that might be something?
Speaker 2:trying to use the atmosphere to like manifest, or very possible, very possible, I think, that spirits can manipulate the environment and um, if you watch our spin-off series, haunted discoveries, family spirits um. When season three and four come out, we actually test some of those theories okay, all right, that's great.
Speaker 3:I love when you have like multiple hits on equipment like that. We um yeah, I recently did um one of my lives at the uh horror museum in monroe and we had a um device that measured static electricity and I had a rem pod and then we had an sls camera going and all at the same time, like, the static device went off, the rem pod went off and then there was like a little flash of something on the sls camera. Like it all happened at the exact same time and I thought that was so cool, even though it was like just kind of a real quick little blip.
Speaker 3:It was just. It was amazing.
Speaker 1:I was like I love being able to document stuff like that, yeah, correlating it on multiple devices yeah, so um, I do have a question too, because I wanted to remember this one, because I forgot what you said saying about equipment going off at one time. What do you think about, um, like paranormal happening like ufos at the same time and proof of some type of otherworldly, because I have actually took a screenshot of it so I could show you guys the alien story with Christina. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What happens when, like, all worlds collide, cryptids, all that together? Do you think that's all paranormal or do you think it's still separate?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say it's all paranormal, but I think they may be closer related than people think they are.
Speaker 1:Okay, what do you think brings that? What do you think brings them together?
Speaker 2:That's why we investigate.
Speaker 1:But do you think like? Us like trying to make communication, we're like calling out to other things. We don't realize that.
Speaker 2:I think that's a possibility. I think it opens up that possibility. We actually did an episode at this place called the Benton Farmhouse I think it was episode 12 of season two and there was a lot of UFO history with that house and what we documented there seemed to lean almost a little bit more towards an extraterrestrial type haunting okay, yeah, that makes me think of the um skinwalker ranch, because you have everything there you have the ufos, oh yeah paranormal.
Speaker 3:You have the cryptids, you have skinwalker, like everything seems to be there, which is interesting. When you think of that, you know all of it being related and together. Or does it have something to do with the land or it's stuff that just keeps you investigating because you want answers.
Speaker 2:Right, right, and that's why I love investigating. It's like let's see what we can find out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I love. I love getting the answers.
Speaker 2:And when I investigate you know, even you know, when I investigate UFO sightings I also I'm a chief investigator for Kentucky from MUFON, the Mutual UFO Network, and when I get cases in that and when I get cases paranormal, I still look at things like from my law enforcement perspective, like if I was presenting this evidence to a court, you know how would I, how would I put this up to explain this Cause? You know, an attorney could say well, you know it, it could be this, it could be. But let's look at process alone, process of elimination. Here's why it's not that.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And I take the most basic things and then like, okay, why, what supports or doesn't support what this is?
Speaker 3:Have you, while you've been investigating with that group, have you ever been to a location that has paranormal claims and UFO claims?
Speaker 2:That Benton Farmhouse oh that okay.
Speaker 1:Have you guys investigated any Masonic temples in Kentucky?
Speaker 2:We have actually investigated any Masonic temples in Kentucky. We have actually that actually came out in season four we did the Masonic Lodge in Elizabethtown Kentucky.
Speaker 1:Nice, and how did you feel about it?
Speaker 2:It was interesting. I kind of had the thought you know, are we going to get anything? Because we are asking questions and we're not members of the masonic temple oh, that's a good point you know, will they actually talk to us for being in there?
Speaker 1:this is actually a masonic oh sorry temple bible. Can I, can you see it? Oh nice with my hand, which I am not supposed to touch it because I'm a female, but don left it up in the attic and we were investigating up in the attic. But, um, that creep. There's a lot of layers to that. That's another one that's kind of like brings a lot together at one time now haunt tv, which is where haunted discovery streams at.
Speaker 2:They have, um, you know you can catch it on, like when it airs on haunt, which is free streaming through, like 2b roku, vizio, stuff like that. But they also have a lot of our episodes on the haunt tv youtube page and I know that that episode is on there yeah, I actually saw the title for that.
Speaker 3:I have not watched that one yet, though I gotta I.
Speaker 1:I need to catch up a lot. I watched the waverly hills one with you guys. I really liked, I like, I like your tactics. You guys are very like on point. You keep it moving. It's not, it doesn't get boring and you guys aren't like overly.
Speaker 3:No, I like that, you guys. One of my two of my favorite things with your guys' show is um how much you go into history?
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 3:How much you look into history and you guys really dig into finding out. You know what it could be, what it couldn't be, how history matches up with that. And then I love how you guys have been revisiting places that you went to and then the way you guys edit it and you show the evidence you get when you came back and the evidence you got when you first were there and you compare how that matches. I absolutely love that.
Speaker 2:One thing that's good about the show, where ours is different than most of the other ones, is that everything from pre-production through post is done with myself, brandon and Mustafa and Craig.
Speaker 3:So it's like kind of in-house Everything is in-house.
Speaker 2:Brandon does the editing as well.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so, being there, he knows what happens and what he wants to pull for the edit and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's really cool. I think that puts not that people who use third parties. It's less of them putting their hearts into it, but you guys have more of a claim to it, like this is close to your heart. This is your show. You're investigating, you're doing the history. You can tell that through the editing and watching the show, how much care and everything you guys thought you put into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's not like we're handing it off to an editor that's just doing it for a job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Editing is a lot of work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot of work.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of time.
Speaker 3:I just did it when I was in high school I did. I was in video productions class and I did some through Comcast out of high school and that was a lot. I can't imagine the equipment nowadays.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have a pretty good system set up. You know, like I said, we do everything from pre-production. Usually when we start a season, we'll start working on it a couple months in advance um to get all the locations locked in, to start getting the stories of them all. Uh, craig, who came on with us in season four um to do his research for the historical aspects of it, and he he goes deep into stuff.
Speaker 3:He said he's a good researcher yeah, I um, I like, uh, listening to him talk to the um, like the people in the community, all that kind of stuff when he's going and trying to find out about the location. He has some really good questions. One of the episodes I wanted to kind of talk about was and correct me if I got the title wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was called the Promise. It was the.
Speaker 2:Hall Place.
Speaker 3:Yes Hall Place. That was a really good episode. I really really liked that one and um. One of the things I liked was, uh, how emotions seem to, whether it be residual, which this seemed like an intelligent type potting cause they were talking to the. The spirit that they said was Caroline and um, but her emotions and everything she was feeling seemed to specifically kind of affect or at least that's what I got as a viewer. It seemed to affect the females and with her being female, I thought that that was really interesting. I always kind of loved cases like that and was, you know, had a thought like do they, are they more receptive to it because they are female and she's a female?
Speaker 3:And that's another one of those locations where it's not a scary haunting, it's a very loving place um I like when she said that she was happy like she, she liked being there, I thought that was really cool yeah, that's a play.
Speaker 2:We went there twice. We did that in season one and two, I yeah.
Speaker 3:That's one of the first episodes I watched of your guys's and that was one that kind of stuck with me just because I loved that. I've always liked that, like how emotions kind of play into effect and I believe that one was intelligent. But even when you walk into a place that may have a tragic history, some people pick up on those emotions, whether it be crying or you know if someone got murdered with a stabbing.
Speaker 3:You get people going there and feel a sharp stab in their you know, left side or something like that. Like it seems like that plays a part in haunting sometimes.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely yeah, yeah, but yeah, no, that's a. It's a nice quiet little bed and breakfast. Really good food there. Yeah, it's a nice quiet little bed and breakfast.
Speaker 3:Really good food there. Yeah, it's a super cute place.
Speaker 2:Charlotte fit us well, but yeah, it's very comfortable. And when we were doing that and we were getting all those responses and stuff like that on the tripwire and then we took a break to change camera media and stuff like that, the whole time that we were on break that thing did not go off once. Huh, not until we went back up and started asking questions again. Then it started going off again.
Speaker 3:Okay. So it was like she was communicating with you only when you wanted to talk, kind of.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, that's yeah, anytime. Nobody was up there asking questions, it was just a trip wire.
Speaker 3:That's pretty cool. That was pretty cool. I really enjoyed that episode. Have you ever walked into a house and had any sort of experiences with emotions like that? Maybe something that was common in that house or something that happened like an common in that house, or something that happened like an activity in that house that may have um the only place that I've got affected so far through all our episodes was in season two when we did the Carrick Park's house Okay, um, don't know what was in there.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize I was acting strange at the time until they told me I was. When we went back there the second time, I did not have that issue at all. And you know, the first time, in the room where it started, we were picking up a strange geomagnetic anomaly in there, and that was not there the second time we went back either.
Speaker 1:Huh.
Speaker 2:So that was really strange.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that is, that's, interesting. It's very interesting that it wouldn't be there. Like it's not consistent, Right.
Speaker 2:So whatever affected me was there that night and you know, myself and Brandon both got affected in that room. He had walked out before I did. I stayed in there a little bit longer and then after that it was just like I was kind of it was kind of dazed, kind of loopy a little bit.
Speaker 3:Huh, and you didn't. You guys don't know if there was anything that may have correlated with that. That happened there, or?
Speaker 2:I, you guys don't know if there was anything that may have correlated with that that happened there. I mean the place was used as a Civil War hospital after the Battle of Perryville, so it's had quite the history.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that easily could have been dizziness and feeling yourself A lot of things. Yeah, yeah, it could have been a lot of things.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about, too, what you guys were talking about last time? When you tell a story outside, oh yeah, I have it in my notes. I just want to make sure we talk, because that's a really really good point.
Speaker 3:I think I'm here. We should try the Hinsdale house. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2:So what that is is oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I brought it up. It's a super um, it's super interesting theory and I saw it, uh, originally on kindred spirits, I believe. Yes, um, they did this um experiment where they were outside of the location, a ways away from it. They made up a fake story, a name, a situation, all that kind of stuff and then when they went back to the location, they talked about it like just to other, just like it was a conversation, and they were like, yeah, this person you know died here. This is what happened. And they made up this whole narrative and they actually um, I believe it was through a spirit box section, but they actually got evidence um correlating with that fake story. Um, and I thought that that was super interesting with the whole theory about sometimes um, spirits or energies at a location can kind of mold into what you want or you manifested it or you manifest it thought for manifestation.
Speaker 3:I'm blanking on what that's called that and uh, but I actually it was funny, because I think I brought this up in the last one too was that I actually tried that with somebody at a location and it did not, as it didn't work as well as theirs did, but we did get answers back that correlated with our quote-unquote fake story.
Speaker 2:These locations in these towns that do you know these year-round ghost walks and having that many people thinking about that story night after night in these locations is that keeping you know these energies alive in there or is it manifesting certain energies in there? Yeah, it's pretty much law of attraction you know 15, 15, 20, 30 people focusing on one story at the same time. Yeah, can that create it?
Speaker 3:yeah, and that's a lot when it comes to, like, certain cryptids and everything. There's thought that you know the mass population thinking that slenderman is real actually created, that being because he has been spotted and, um, there's actually a couple cryptids that they said. The idea behind that is what formed it.
Speaker 1:It's basically law of attraction. Oh yeah, you're just putting it out there. You're just putting it out there.
Speaker 3:Did you guys put out winning the lottery or something I know. I don't know how tall Slenderman is supposed to be, but he's kind of creepy looking. I never watched that movie. No, neither did I.
Speaker 1:What about Hat man? We did talk about that last.
Speaker 3:How do you feel?
Speaker 1:about Hat man Kevin.
Speaker 2:I have seen that two or three times during sleep paralysis.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow. Yeah, I have a whole theory that I thought of with hat men and shadow men and everything in sleep, so sleep okay. So hat men and shadow men have been seen all over the world, right hat men there's like thousands of accounts of people seeing this figure, entity, whatever you want to call it. And um, I mean, I have three pictures from one location alone, with the hat man. I know a location. Yeah, I know, but we're not going to name it. Okay, it's like Voldemort.
Speaker 3:It's like it, it's a location that shall not be named. We have to pray, and so a lot of times when you you hear about shadow figures or hat men, it's during sleep paralysis. That's actually a very, very common thing, people you know. Say when they experience this, why?
Speaker 1:Because they have domination.
Speaker 3:No, wait. So I mean, I don't know, but this is what I think. So you know how people talk about there's a veil and it separates the two worlds. Well, usually sleep paralysis is your mind waking up before your body, right, you're not fully awake, and I always thought about that and that whole theory about when you're falling asleep is the best time to experience something paranormal, because you're kind of like in that middle plane sort of your mind's more awake or not, I'm sorry, more open, and you're more open to kind of hear things, that type of stuff. Um, so I always thought about what if, during sleep paralysis, you wake up and you're like seeing what's on the other side of that veil Like you're not supposed to but you're not completely awake in our world and you're getting a little glimpse of what's actually there? That was just something I thought of one day and I was like, huh, that's kind of interesting, because I'm like he has to have.
Speaker 3:I know there's a whole talk about him being interdimensional right and everything which I've kind of read on, but I'm like there's something to him because so many people have seen him and have experienced him and I think it's more than just everyone making him up. Yeah I think there's more behind that. But yeah, I just thought I was thinking about it and that's just kind of a thought that occurred to me. I'm like what if? During sleep paralysis?
Speaker 1:why you think he only shows up. Why does he do that? Or this entity? Is it for domination?
Speaker 3:no, they're known as watchers. From what I read, they control like um shadow figures and like entities in a location. Usually they're they're known to like uh they're controlling the sleep world, like history yeah, that I don't know it, I just I heard you're supposed to have all the answers. I know I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I gotta do more reading give me time, I'll read more about okay, jenny is a big reader yeah, I read a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we've talked about that before. We talked about books. She's like a walking encyclopedia but, um, no, I was just thinking about it one day because I, um, I have a book by um, this guy, mike, he uh wrote a book on shadow figures and hat man, great book. But um, I was just my brain was just going, I don't know, spiraling about it and I was just kind of thinking of a bunch of different theories and that's one that kind of popped in my head because it is very I love that.
Speaker 2:That's the x-files so I was trying to turn. My phone was going off, trying to turn my sound off on it and I hit the wrong button but um, it's like the x-files theme plays as we're talking about the hat man.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. I miss that man. That went on forever, but um, yeah, that's just a theory. I I had a friend too that sleep paralysis, woke up and he had shadow figures standing around him. So, I was just thinking about all that and that's kind of what I thought of when I was younger and I was falling asleep I heard a deep voice next to my ear and just kind of all those thoughts went into one.
Speaker 2:So the last one I remember is like I woke up and I saw it like walk across the edge of my room. The last one I remember is like I woke up and I saw it like walk across the edge of my room. But then the next thing I remember is I was on my back and it was on top of me. I could feel the knees pushed in on the beds beside me, like he was sitting over the top of me and his hands were up here on my chest holding me down, like pushing me down into the bed.
Speaker 3:And see, and that's that's terrifying. It's like I could feel that I could feel the bed pushed down beside me where the knees were sitting over my chest. See, and that's another thought I had, because I was uh, one book I have that I was reading about, like ufos and abductions and everything um a lot of sleep paralysis. Symptoms are very similar to abductees and people who have been abducted. When you wake up and there's figures around you, you can't move you can't talk, you lose time like it's a lot.
Speaker 3:They all kind of share the same stories and um, a lot of people who have been abducted don't even realize it until they're put under hypnosis, which again is opening your mind. What?
Speaker 1:do you do when you fall asleep? Right, have either one of you guys astral projected before? No, no whether it's intentional or intentional.
Speaker 3:No, I did that, I'd be like what the are you doing? Go back down. I'd probably freak myself out. But um, yeah, I was. Just I was thinking about all those things and how they kind of in a weird way, seem connected, sort of Like sleep, sleep paralysis, your mind opening like that weird stage in between falling asleep and being awake.
Speaker 1:Well, astral projection's in there too. Yeah, where yeah, you lift out of your body. That's the same thing as sleep paralysis, basically.
Speaker 3:Well, astral projection, don't they um usually see themselves floating above their body that can.
Speaker 1:That is a big part of it, but you can also go to a location or go somewhere yeah, and then you don't fly.
Speaker 3:And people said they've seen like lights and but that's and all that that's that, that state, that conscious state too, that that's pretty much. It all kind of rivets together yeah, but that's kind of my theory on I I. Hatman to me is just I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't want to wake up and see him standing next to my bed, but it's super interesting it's not pleasant when I think of hatman, I think of the poltergeist, the old guy that was dying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, do you want to know a creepy fact about?
Speaker 3:it. I mean, you know I'm a huge movie person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's dying.
Speaker 3:No so in the second one he was dying. So in the third one, when they made the third one which that third one is freaky and I have them all I still watch them. Those really, they scare me more than any modern horror movie Go to the light.
Speaker 3:Well, so because he died in the second one, they wanted the guy to look like him. In the third one, before he passed away, they made a mold of his face, and in the third one the actor is actually wearing the mold of the actor's face. Yeah, after he passed away. I'm like that makes that movie even freakier. That's great you guys couldn't find someone that just looked like him.
Speaker 1:Wow, they really went yeah deep with that movie.
Speaker 3:but um, yeah, so that's just. Uh. Hat man and shadow man I think are super interesting in the paranormal and at a location that I worked at, shadow figures were like a super common thing. I mean it was, it was nothing to go in, you know, go up to the office on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was way better when it was original there. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We documented a really good one in season one, episode two, at the Louisville Bourbon Inn.
Speaker 3:I believe I saw that clip.
Speaker 2:It's a bed and breakfast that's in a Louisville you can go stay at, and that was caught on the emccd camera as well. And, uh, that's, that's one of the ones where I, you know, talk about looking at it from. You know, like my police background, stuff like that. It's like you know anyone would say, well, that was just somebody casting the shadow, okay, but you would have to have a matching stairwell on the other side to have it backlit and have a person walk up it. But the shadow we captured is between the rails and the stairs. It's not projected on the outside of the rails, so that means it was in the stairwell going up. And then later you see myself and Mustafa walk up the stairs and we don't look anything like what that did.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it doesn't cast the same shadow.
Speaker 2:No, and it's exactly what people have reported seeing there.
Speaker 3:Now, of course, there's a lot of theories on what shadow figures are. What do you think they are?
Speaker 2:I mean this one. I think this one was a residual haunting.
Speaker 3:I love residual haunting. I love residual hauntings.
Speaker 2:It's like history in motion. It's amazing. I think it was the girl. I mean, we didn't really find anything that she ever existed, but the story's been told so many times and it's actually documented in newspapers. Was that a type of thought form manifestation?
Speaker 1:yeah, and that's residual really quick, though it doesn't always have to be like historic. It could be like the day before someone died and they forgot they died so quickly, right, and then they keep visiting because they don't know that they're dead I think it could be yeah, I mean it's possible well, typically it's not thought to be intelligent, it's just supposed to be like a memory playing back over and over again.
Speaker 3:Usually it's like something that was like imprinted in time in a little fabric of history. It was just so like at the place I worked there was. It was, let's just say, an old hospital and I was down, I was on one of the floors, I was in solitary confinement, I was with a whole group and it was. I started getting super excited. The girl in the cell with me started crying and I was like no, you don't know what this is there's no crying in ghosts yeah, there's no crying in paranormal investigating and uh, but um, we heard we're all we're doing quiet time, we're all.
Speaker 3:You know there's probably about seven, eight of us in these cells and, um, we're all quiet. And you hear it starts kind of far away and it comes closer. And know those shoes that nurses used to wear, the thick heels like it's like a square. You hear that walking on the floor. I'm on the second floor a lot. This was on a higher up floor.
Speaker 1:Fifth you ever heard it. On the second, though.
Speaker 3:No, oh, girl. And so we heard that walk up to the door we were in and, of course, the girl. There was two other girls in the room with me and one of them was like oh my God, what is that? And she like started kind of like whimpering and I'm like no, no, no, be very quiet. And you heard it stop at our door. And then it continued walking down the hallway and then it stopped walking down the hallway and stopped and I told her I was like no, I was like I for it. No, equipment went off. I had, um, a couple of REM pods out there, I had a music box, I had a lot of stuff that motion censored would have been set off and nothing went off. Um, there was probably about six of us that heard the exact same thing and I was. I told her. I said I believe that that that that was residual. I said I think we were lucky that we were in the right place at the right times.
Speaker 3:What we were doing by sitting in those rooms, I think, maybe sparked a memory and at one point in time, a nurse was coming to check on patients and we were just lucky enough to be able to experience that little chunk of history that was replaying for us. And she she looked at me. She's like are you freaking crazy? That was still creepy and I'm like that was awesome. I was like so ecstatic just to be able to experience that.
Speaker 1:That's when you used to get good stuff there. The problem with that place is that there's too much added things that have came into there. Yeah, it's yeah, and it's layered now.
Speaker 3:It would be really hard to like get good evidence now. Yeah, well, to determine where it, where it came from. Yeah, I that place always have a special special spot in my heart there's too, much.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean shit, I go. I mean, I can tell you back when the all the whole kitchen was there, yeah, and who you know? That's the thing too about locations like I don't know, if people take them over and they get rid of stuff that was already in there, that's supposed to be stuck there in history. Don't you think that affects, you know, like anything, the residuals, like the, the time, the time, even like a time capsule?
Speaker 3:Ticks, tick something off that you know. Maybe there was like actually there was um that specific place. There was a uh, what was it? It was in a book. It was a doctor, I think that was caught in the kitchen at one point. He was wearing a white coat, or at least that's what they thought he was. Oh, the.
Speaker 1:You know, you may have a spirit that is fond of something that was yeah, it was taken out and I would think that.
Speaker 3:But why take all that stuff out? Why not leave it? Some people don't, you know, appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I guess, I guess you didn't hit the lotto yet.
Speaker 3:Buy it I, I, I absolutely love history and I think if historic places are trying, if you're trying to save, I mean, of course you're going to have to change some things and update some things. You know, right, you took code, yeah, or it's gonna, it's gonna fall to pieces. But, um, I think, uh, anyone who genuinely wants to preserve history and preserve these historic locations and have people learn about them, they will try to keep as much original to that building as possible. Right, because that's how you learn. That's how you, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've been to places where they've had a lot of the original family's stuff still in there. That's awesome, I love that. And I think that definitely can hold some energy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah, I think that can too. Oh yeah, I think that can too. I think everyone, I think just kind of leaves like a blueprint of their energy as they go through.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and especially, you know when you get a spike in energy, when you introduce certain things into a house. You know that may have been there at one time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, and I kind of want to jump back.
Speaker 2:I had a.
Speaker 3:It's funny. I was talking with somebody and they're like you know you're crazy for going into these places that are haunted, like aren't you scared of what's there? And I always tell them I'm like humans scare me a lot more than ghosts do than the living does, or yeah, than the dead, anyways.
Speaker 3:But I was telling somebody, I said I'm a huge believer and I'd like to kind of know your thoughts on this. But I said I think that stuff's all around us and how you were saying that you guys went to that one house and it was there the one time and then you went back and it wasn't there and it may have been something connected to the property, which I think you can go to areas and locations where it's more concentrated because of what happened there. But I think that stuff's everywhere. I think things can come and go.
Speaker 3:You can spot something it doesn't just have to be at night. Well, there's so many reports of people seeing apparitions just walking across the street. Oh yeah, what is that? I think that stuff's everywhere. You just you know you can go to locations, and it shows up more think that stuff's everywhere.
Speaker 2:you just you know you can go to locations and it shows up, I think. I think a lot of people have seen things and don't realize that they have yes because it's just so matter of fact it's just there. It's like. I mean, I think some can appear so realistic that you don't realize that that's what it is yes, so.
Speaker 3:So I went to the Winchester house recently. Have you been there?
Speaker 1:I have not.
Speaker 3:That place is amazing. It is amazing. But one of the things that she told us that kind of went with what you said, was um, one of the workers there that was very loyal to um uh, oh my gosh, her name just totally slipped my brain his wife, sarah oh my gosh, her name just totally slipped my brain. His wife, sarah, sarah. Thank you, sarah Winchester, very, very loyal to her, moved with her and was there with her. You know where she built the house and everything.
Speaker 3:They call him the wheelbarrow man and they actually have a picture of him up in the kitchen and there have been guests who have talked to him and they thought he was a worker. They thought he was a worker, they thought he was just an actor. And he, they said he looked solid. He's where he wears overalls and he uses a wheelbarrow and he doesn't, um, really respond. But they would go back and be like, oh, you know, there was a guy out there he didn't really talk, like is he okay? Or they would say he was nice or anything. They're like, yeah, he's not actually a worker, but he, he looked solid. He looked like a person, he's a ghost. He's a ghost, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean you get a lot of that with these Civil War battlefields, People saying, oh, I like the reenactors you had out there. We didn't have anybody out there.
Speaker 3:I would love to visit Gettysburg. I've heard a lot about Gettysburg next summer?
Speaker 1:you suck, I'm gonna go there come down here come visit perryville yes, I, I would love.
Speaker 2:I actually want to get back to waverly, I don't think that is that far from perrysville um, it's a little over an hour we're planning on um getting waverly for a whole weekend.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's gonna it. I think it's so important to be there for a whole entire at least two days, two nights, yeah.
Speaker 3:I loved Waverly. But one thing I realized you couldn't do there, which it didn't dawn on me when I was first there, like when we toured. You can't do EVPs or anything there on a windy night. It just doesn't work. Oh, because the windows are open. Yeah, because there's so much open space there.
Speaker 2:And that's why I like video why I like video.
Speaker 3:I like being able to see things. Yes, videos. I take a ton of pictures, which I took, two at waverly that I sent you those were pretty cool. Um the smoke yeah, I don't know what that was what's that called again echo? Echoplasm echo, that's what it looks like to me I I don't know, we tried to find spider webs or anything to debunk that. But yeah, so another episode of your guys' that I really liked and I would love to visit there was the Jailer's Inn.
Speaker 2:Jailer's Inn is awesome. It's a very awesome bed and breakfast that you can actually go stay at. Yeah, I would love to visit there. We've been there twice. We've done a couple events there Super, super active and that one actually has documented ghost stories going back to the early 1900s.
Speaker 3:I actually have that written down in my notes. 100 years of ghost stories yeah, that is really really cool. Did you have any particular experience there that kind of sticks out to you or anything that happened there?
Speaker 2:I mean that that one. The first time we went, it was like whatever was there was moving, it's like you could follow the EMF with it, which was super interesting. We got some really, really good EVP out of there as well Really good EVP out of there as well. You know having control cameras set up when nobody's in there and picking up you know what sounds like somebody coughing and the guy had died of typhoid fever. Yeah, that was pretty cool. While he was waiting, execution on death row yeah.
Speaker 3:Do you think that that was possibly residual, more so than?
Speaker 2:No, I think that one's more intelligent.
Speaker 3:More intelligent.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:Okay, and how would you? I mean if you can kind of think, I guess, of an explanation, but how would you determine, more so, if it's residual or intelligent when it comes to something like that?
Speaker 2:if it's residual or intelligent. When it comes to something like that, well, it's intelligent. I mean, a lot of it goes into, like the questions you start asking, and if you get responses to those questions. One thing that we'll do sometimes is we'll ask you know, just the general questions and stuff like that, but then we'll just throw something out of the left field and see, you know, do they respond to that as well? And if not, I would say it's more intelligent. If it still goes off, I'd be, you know, a little bit less credible with it.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, I like that. That's actually a good idea.
Speaker 1:Are you guys traveling overseas at all?
Speaker 2:We'd love to eventually.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That'd be great.
Speaker 1:There's so much history over there, I know Europe alone. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's so much history over there. I would love to go to Scotland and Ireland and tour castles and everything I know.
Speaker 1:The castles are beautiful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that would be a dream. I'm afraid I wouldn't come back.
Speaker 1:Probably not. You are like the fairy tale of like I I won't say goth, but yeah, you're in the castles reading all day.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, yeah, they'd have to kick me out. Yeah, they'd be like get this weird girl out of this window. She keeps sitting.
Speaker 1:Nothing wrong with the reader girl, you're smart.
Speaker 2:I was talking to a guy I used to work out work out with at the gym in LA. I can't remember what country he was from, but he's like oh, you should come over here and investigate, you know, and I was like I'd like to eventually. So we have a lot of ghosts and stuff here. He goes, yeah, but ours don't have heads maybe added everyone over there it's like I'm on my way that's awesome, that's so funny.
Speaker 3:And, um, there's yeah, there's a. I don't. I would love, I would love that'd be a dream to go over there and investigate.
Speaker 1:When is your next season? Start of your show.
Speaker 2:Can't say exactly that yet, but we are currently working on the edit of season five, and so that will hopefully be out sometime, I'd say early next year maybe.
Speaker 1:Okay, and can you repeat again how you can see your show, what the platforms that you're on?
Speaker 2:So it airs on Haunt TV, which is free streaming service through Tubi, roku, vizio, anything like that. Haunt also has some of the episodes on their YouTube page, and then you can always follow our social media Instagram, facebook I think Brandon put a TikTok up now for Haunted Discoveries as well, so follow along on all the platforms. Cool, we're on X and we'll be posting, you know, reels for some of the episodes and keep everybody updated on new releases and stuff like that. Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you guys are also on YouTube.
Speaker 2:I know I've watched a couple episodes on YouTube and then you know not only Haunted Discoveries, but we also have Haunted Discoveries Family Spirits, our spinoff show, which is also airing as well.
Speaker 3:Nice, that's awesome. Can you give us a quick synopsis about what that is?
Speaker 2:or what that's about. So Family Spirits is more of a recreation type show. We bring in and interview people that feel like they're being haunted by past loved ones, and then Craig goes into a deep genealogical research to look for familial connections and stuff like that with the family.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that. That's a really cool idea. It's already aired.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a few episodes that's aired already.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is haunted.
Speaker 3:That's Haunted Discover's Family Spirits.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a really cool idea.
Speaker 2:I love that so we have four episodes, four episodes filmed, two episodes have aired and three and four have not aired yet. Okay, we're actually still finishing up season four.
Speaker 3:Wow, so you guys are probably busy all the time.
Speaker 2:You guys are just busting it out non-stop that's a lot of filming and editing and then you're working on top of that yeah, because I mean like, even when we finish like a season, you know brandon goes into the edit and stuff like that, and Mustafa goes through a lot of the audio and I go through every piece of control camera footage we have as well. Wow, so you know we have four or five control cameras up to location. I sit and go through every clip of control camera footage, oh my word. And then I give that over to Brandon for the edit and then he'll, you know, match it up with certain spots in the edit.
Speaker 3:I've gone through like a couple hours of like video and I'm like okay.
Speaker 2:I'm ready to break.
Speaker 3:That's nuts. That's awesome, though, so okay. So to wrap up, we got Kevin with Haunted Discoveries. It's an awesome show, so anyone listening should definitely check it out.
Speaker 2:Check it out. Let us know what you think. Leave comments. Interact.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hope everyone enjoys it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, very, very good show. I'm enjoying it, it is. I love your guys' investigation techniques. Yeah, you guys don't go screaming into a house saying everything's humans. No, oh, don't get me started with that, becky, very rarely you know how. I feel, that's refreshing for me. I love that.
Speaker 2:Getting to investigate with Brandon and Mustafa and Craig. It's been a lot of fun. We have a lot of fun doing it.
Speaker 3:Just the energy, I think really kind of helps get the evidence that we have collected so far. That's one thing that kind of brought my attention to your guys's show. Is I like them when they were on Ghost Hunters?
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:Brandon was always kind of more serious about it, like when it came to evidence and came to, he took it very seriously and I like that, because a lot of paranormal stuff nowadays is very for views, for clicks for you know Jenny's very serious, I am.
Speaker 1:Jenny's on the ball Like she's the boss and I like that.
Speaker 3:I'm like we're here to investigate. We're not here to, like you know, party or run around and scream or like yeah.
Speaker 3:Like everyone shut up and let's do EVPs, like that's how I, yeah. But so, yeah, that's kind of what. Um, I think I put brandon on my facebook first and then, when he started doing the show, I think, slowly I just kind of requested you all. I believe that's how it kind of went. But, um, that's how I first found out about the show, because I, like brandon and mustafa from ghost hunters, saw that they were doing this and I was like, oh, I'm gonna check that out, because I always liked the way they investigated and it went over like that's. One thing I love about your guys' show is it's very. We're here to find evidence, we're here to go over history. We're not here just to get likes and views. I like the tools, even that they use.
Speaker 2:Yes, Right, like I said, we like to use things that's not necessarily built for paranormal investigating.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and sometimes that works very well though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I want is that works very well though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I want a trip wire oh my gosh, I want a trip. That thing is so cool, but um, yeah, so definitely. Uh, anyone listening check out haunted discoveries great paranormal show um, absolutely and yeah, check out jen too.
Speaker 1:Jen scott oh yeah, you know jen keeps me current. I keep telling her she's a celebrity. I'm'm going to be watching her on TV with all you guys one day.
Speaker 3:Oh, I don't think, kevin. Well, I don't know if you've heard of it, kevin, I told you where I'm going next. Right, where are you going? Well, I got my undisclosed location. That will be my live, for that will be the 4th or the 5th no one knows where that's at yet. And live, jerk, and uh, then on the 9th I actually get to um, we're leading investigations at jackson state prison.
Speaker 1:Wow, yes, so I'm super excited. You're gonna be working with rusty, no, nope, uh, me and david you're okay no, rusty, did investigate there though yeah, because he does the uh jackson walks and stuff. Yeah, haunted stuff, yeah, cool stuff yeah.
Speaker 2:Cool, yeah, jen's like she's a trailblazer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's fun. I like doing stuff she does. She gets a lot of locations set up, she talks to it. She's really good at networking. So, yeah, I like meeting new people. Yeah, yeah, hearing new ideas. Kevin, you've been great. You know, you have been such a good sport. I'm so sorry we're not. We don't Hopefully this one works. We're still winging it. You know, it's been two years now. We've been very patient.
Speaker 3:Yes, so yes we appreciate you being on.
Speaker 1:I loved you being on.
Speaker 3:Thank you so much. It's been fun. Yeah, yeah, I too. I love just being on with people and talking about this stuff. It's interesting to hear different point of views, different experiences different you know, that's how you. I think that that all goes in with learning.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Gather data, collect it, look at it, have other people look at it and.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I think that how you got to be open-minded too, you got to be able to have people say, no, I don't think that's what that is, I think it's this I always say, and then ask yourself why is it this?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah you know process of elimination and see what you can figure out yeah, that's why I love like investigating with other people, like going on group, even public sometimes, even though there's a lot of people and you're like, ah, shut up, there's so much noise. It's just kind of fun to meet new people and see how they investigate and how you investigate and, yeah, you learn stuff.
Speaker 1:Now, how do you pronounce your last? Can you say your full name, cause it will pick up on my when I go to edit.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, my last name is Adi Adi.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, my last name is Adi Adi, so Kevin Adi with Haunted Discoveries. I want to make sure I was pronouncing it right, okay.
Speaker 3:That's cool. I think I asked all my questions from my two pages of notes. Hey, that's good I had to, because when I get on these things anytime I'm like on Face to face, anytime someone's watching me or I'm like you know, in where I got to talk and I know people are going to be focusing on it I just my brain goes blank.
Speaker 3:I just can't I have to have notes, for even at work, when I have to do like store, meetings and everything, I have a sheet of notes, because as soon as I look up and everyone's looking at me, I'm like oh, what's my name, what was I supposed to be doing? It just goes blank.
Speaker 1:so but yeah, well, thanks for hopping on again.
Speaker 3:I appreciate you if this one doesn't work, we're just being like you know what? We had three really good conversations. Yeah, it's gonna work.
Speaker 1:I manifested, manifested, wait, manifesting, no, but it already happened what sentence are you trying to say?
Speaker 3:It already, we manifested it already it already happened.
Speaker 1:You had this problem last time. Now I'm having this problem. What word could we not remember? It was something so stupid and I had to look it up.
Speaker 3:I was talking to you on the phone. What word was it I couldn't pronounce? And you're like, I'm not going to let you forget that.
Speaker 2:Oh shoot Now. I forgot it.
Speaker 3:Ha, yes, that's awesome. Damn my brain.
Speaker 2:I remember it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there was a word I could not get out. Anyway, we manifested it already happened and it worked Right Put it in the universe, but all right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thank you for being on. I'm looking forward to season five.
Speaker 1:I got to get caught up with the rest of the seasons. I need to get caught up. Well, I will, because I'll be on maternity leave.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just sit up.
Speaker 2:Get caught up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, lucky ass. I hope baby loves ghost shows, if he doesn't, oh it's your baby. They're going to have to.
Speaker 3:Well, unless they're like Paul and they're like no, but we really at hinsdale, I want there's. I know I said this on the last one.
Speaker 1:There's some crazy shit that happened to her at hinsdale. Yeah, so I'm like, well, just me and you need to go, so we can see like I'm kind of scared. I'm kind of scared, I'll be like jenny. Jenny, it's healthy, we'll be fine, we'll be, walking off. Yeah, they walking off crying and paranormal investigating exactly and uh.
Speaker 3:So I told her, me and her should go, but we should do that thing where we make up a story before we get there and then we stay over there just to kind of like see how that plays out, because that is such an interesting, uh, interesting thing, yeah, like theory, whatever you want to call it that place is very layered too has have you been in still? I have not oh well, it has.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of layers, it's a ton of layers and I don't think it helps that, like everyone who's been there has done, like there was a group that went there that did a blood sacrifice, and it's, of course, youtube and tiktok and you know so they try to do all these extreme things, and I think that when you do stuff like that, you may be messing with stuff that you're not aware of and it just adds on to things, and I'm like I love going into like my undisclosed location, which I can tell you guys, I don't really care. Is this being recorded?
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, never mind, I'll text you because I have to say we're special, we never mind. I'll text you because I have to say we're special.
Speaker 3:We get a text, but so just edit this part out. A friend of mine bought what is a building that was used as the first funeral home in Toledo, ohio.
Speaker 1:Okay.
