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Strange Deranged Beyond Insane
Ghostly Messages Across Time: Future Hauntings, Tulpa Tales, and Witch Hunt Echoes
What if hauntings are not remnants of the past, but rather messages from the future? Inspired by Cody Crowley's intriguing theory and Ken Webster's fascinating book "The Vertical Plane," we explore the idea that ghostly encounters might be time-altered communications between the living. We journey into Webster's eerie 16th-century messages, pondering connections to films like "Interstellar," and then segue into the mystical realm of tulpas. These imaginative entities, stemming from Tibetan Buddhism, have captured the modern paranormal community. We'll uncover stories of accidental tulpa creation and tales of tulpamancers who celebrate their creations' autonomy.
Our exploration doesn't stop there; we travel back to the late 1800s to the chilling tale of the Hilderbrand sisters and the witch hunt hysteria that gripped their community. We analyze how baseless accusations against neighbor Nancy Evans highlight society's reliance on unconventional methods when faced with fear. Through the use of a scale and a Bible, we see the lengths taken to avoid violence. We also embrace the timeless allure of cats, celebrating their historical ties to feminine power and divine goddesses like Bastet. Join us as we weave through these captivating stories, connecting the enigmatic with the historical, and reflecting on how past beliefs echo into the present.
Hey everyone, welcome back, and it's your host, melissa at Strange, strange Beyond Insane. Happy New Year. It's 2025 and I have a lot more ideas and so much more content to talk about. We will be having a lot more guests this year. I already have a few lined up Later tonight. Carissa, one of our co-hosts. She will be over tonight and she says she has a fun episode to talk about, so I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1:All right, so today's episode starts with this lady that I follow on TikTok. Her name is Cody Crowley and she is a well-known author. She's very entertaining to watch. I love her content. Her book that came out in 2024 is called here Lies a Vengeful Bitch. I have not read it yet. I want to. That is on my to-do list, like a million other things, right?
Speaker 1:So she was talking about this theory that hauntings could simply just be two living people communicating through space and time, and she referenced this book called the Vertical Plane by Ken Webster. All right, so let's just kind of go over an overview of this book, the Vertical Plane. Okay, so for a period of two years, ken Webster found himself in the extraordinary position of corresponding directly with an individual who had lived on site of his own cottage for four centuries earlier. The correspondence began with messages left on his home computer on the kitchen table and ended with communications scrubbed directly onto paper. Fully prepared for some form of elaborate hoax, webster found to his concentration that the language of the messages precisely came within the 16th century English usage. Okay, and another. Let's just do some bulletin points. Okay. So the Vertical Plane is a supernatural detective novel. This book is about Webster's experience of corresponding with someone who lived on the site of his cottage. We already said that four centuries earlier. The messages started as notes left on his computer and eventually became written on paper. And this book generally is about a fault in time and a relationship across four centuries. Yeah, that you know. This account, this relationship, meditated across 400 years, talks about his experiences and what his theories are, and I think that's the type of book to leave open for everyone to kind of think for themselves. But I find that very interesting because we always think of hauntings with dead, you know, deceased. Again, I will always pinpoint this kind of in the same grouping as the movie with Matthew McConaughey Interstellar.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, going along with this, I want to talk about tulpas. Okay, so, going along with this, I want to talk about tulpas. So a tulpa is an imaginary companion created through intense concentration and spiritual practice. The word tulpa comes from Sanskrit, which means to build. All right, so how tulpas are created?
Speaker 1:Tulpamancers, or hosts, believe that they can create tulpas by training their minds to host multiple hosts. Tulpamancers use techniques from various guides to create their tulpas. Tulpamancers believe that tulpas are sentient and independent beings that share their minds and their brains. Okay, so what are these like? They are often described as invisible people who live in the mind. Tulpamancers and their tulpas communicate through inner speech, imagistic impressions and sometimes audible voices. Tulpamancers celebrate their tulpa's birth, which is when they first feel the tulpa's autonomy. All right, so where do they come from? The idea of Tulpas originated in Tibetan Buddhism, where they are mental creations that can become semi-autonomous.
Speaker 1:The idea of Tulpas became part of a modern paranormal lore after John Keel mentioned them in his 1975 book, the Mothman Prophecies. So very interesting how that came about, right? So we have talked a lot on here about a Mothman prophecy that we actually experienced just over a year ago. Okay, I, you know, I'm just learning about this. Really, um, I've never, even like, heard or seen this term, so I did look this up on reddit, because you guys know I love reddit, all right, so, um, let me pull up some interesting ones, okay. So this person says need advice on creating a tulpa hi. I would like advice from anyone who has created a tulpa before. I don't know how much info I should give, but I do not want them to be human. My aim is to create a female, feminine entity and I want to do my absolute best to put purely positive energy into this so that it is not only better for me and others, but for the tulpa themselves when, if they exist, I would really appreciate advice on how to make one. All right. So I'm just reading through these skimming Um, all right, this is an interesting one. Paranoid Tulpa creating, hi.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I have some severe paranoia usually when I expose myself, accidentally or intentionally, to things that are scary and unsettling, such as horror-related media. A few nights ago, I was listening to music on YouTube when my video abruptly ended and then switched over to a different one with an uncomfortable looking character on it, and it appeared like a close-up to the screen, not specifying, since I'm too embarrassed. It scared the hell out of me, since I didn't really expect it, but I tried to ignore it while I continued messing around on my phone. It kept happening, but I always tried not to think about it Since I knew it would get me. I have an ESSA emotional support stuffed animal that I always keep with me at home to keep me calm and to calm me down and prevent me from getting paranoid like this, but it's been bothering me a lot.
Speaker 1:I've heard of some people who make tulpas unintentionally, but I don't know if it's possible to make one out of like fear. I guess I know tulpas are a lifelong commitment, but I'm kind of horrified in a way, since I think having a tulpa of a character I'm scared of wouldn't do much good. Wow, okay, um, interesting, uh, let's see accidental tulpas. I've had an imaginary world where I have four siblings, protectors of sorts, for a good while. Now I have a clear image of them and sometimes I feel like I I'm sorry, I'm actually talking to them. I don't think they're all the way tulpas, but could they kind of be underdeveloped? Accidental tulpas question mark. If so, can I use them to create actual tulpas, probably focusing one at a time for a while? Hmm, so my thoughts on the origins of self.
Speaker 1:So I've always held a fascination with the human mind. I just think it's so interesting as something that we've not really understood. But we just sort of have a collection of facts. We've not had much progress in terms of finding programming or source code. Buddhists think that the thought area of our minds is weightless and has no substance. But Buddhists have one problem, and it's that they don't approach the mind with a machine. What I mean by this is that while Buddhists might have an incredibly rich history of programming their minds with rituals, sounds, signs and so many other things, they do not approach Okay, hold on one second. They do not approach with a medical student's understanding or the scientific process. But when you step into that circle of academics, they have the most theories on how our minds work.
Speaker 1:There's theories on how personalities work, which is mostly based on observed patterns of behavior. In the neurological we can see that personalities tend to match in our brain scans, or at least that's what I heard last time. I digged into that science, but it's been a minute. But for me personally and this is probably going to sound unscientific think about the brain power of something like a bug. In comparison to the human brain, it's a million times bigger and probably most definitely more complex. Yet bugs have personalities, and some could be said for any animal. Okay, what if it's not part and that it has been traumatized? What if parts are more like little animals that form in regards to their environment, that we have such big brains and that we have many different kinds of animals running through us? Being self-aware is to find and handle and self-manage these animals. What if our brains just stop at our brains? That's why we can have all kinds of touch and sensory experiences in this practice. It's because our intelligences and thoughts can actually travel throughout our bodies. I like that.
Speaker 1:So this person ends it with so I'm just halfway through a beer and was just giving this all a bunch of thought. I just wanted to share these thoughts with you and maybe hear something back. I figured it would help and not to be a bunch of advice and have a good debate. And then he says how do you all figure? Imagination ties into this? Um, so this is very interesting and you guys listening, if you know anything about this or you've had these experiences, please come on and tell us about it because again, or even write to us, because, watching these videos a few days ago. I was very interested in this. I'm like, wow, I didn't. Again, I didn't. I had never heard this term before. So this is a topic that I wanted to talk about because I'm very interested in it, and this is about the witchcraft hysteria in Ohio in 1897.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Ohio had witch trials in the 1800s, including one in Bethel, ohio, in 1805. The Bethel trial was modeled after the Salem witch trials of the 17th century. The trial was held near the intersection of State Routes 125 and 232. The Justice of Peace used a large scale to weigh the Bible against Nancy Evans, who was accused of witchcraft. The Justice of the Peace argued that the Bible would outweigh any demonic spirit. The crowd cheered when the Bible was heavier. The accused woman most likely had epilepsy. And then again, the witchcraft hysteria in the 17th century.
Speaker 1:The Salem witch trials were a period of mass hysteria that was influenced by several factors, including a smallpox epidemic, the threat of attack from Native Americans, tensions with the neighboring seaport of Salem Town, an influx of refugees from King William's War. So this is very interesting and I guess I never paid attention to the whole Ohio witchcraft hysteria, that whole Ohio witchcraft hysteria. We did mention a couple episodes ago about the witchcraft hysteria, the trials in Mackinac, which now you can't find anything on it. It's really weird because I remember getting videos a few years ago, people sending them to me because everyone knew that I was going to go to Salem soon and they were like hey, mel, did you see this? Like there's more actual evidence of witchcraft and you know the witchcraft trials in Mackinac Island than there is in Salem. And again, I cannot find them. So I'm so surprised. I didn't hear about this craziness in Ohio but it is very interesting. So I kind of want to dive into this article that explains this witch trial in Ohio. So it reads Bethel, ohio had its own witch trial with a happy-ish ending. When you hear the phrase witch trial you might think about the hysteria that overtook 17th century Salem, massachusetts, not as widely known in a southwest Ohio witch trial in the early 19th century, and it ended very differently. The town of Bethel was seemingly quiet place for the first seven years of its founding, but in 1805 the excitement started.
Speaker 1:Cindy Johnson, with the Clermont County Historical Society, says the story is told In an 1880 history book. The older Hilderbrand daughters, young women grown, began behaving more peculiarly, giving evidence that they were Possessed of some evil spirits, she explains. The book says on the approach of the night they would scream, at times become perfectly frantic from fright of some hideous objects that only they could see, and maintain such a spell over them that they unfitted for their duties. That they unfitted for their duties. Johnson says that the family tried an exorcism, performing a ritual designed to scare an evil spirit out of the girls' bodies and into a nearby sack, at the conclusion of which the witch would have been forced to take refugee in the bag. Johnson says. Then you quickly close the bag, tie it shut tightly, you lay it on the porch of the house with a sharp axe, cut it into a thousand pieces. Johnson says that that did not work. The demonic influence remained, she says.
Speaker 1:The young women then pointed to a neighbor, nancy Evans, and accused her of being a witch. Other community members started getting nervous. If Nancy Evans was a witch she could cast spells on anyone. They went to the local justice of the piece and demanded action. Johnson says that Ohio legislators hadn't passed any laws about witches or witchcraft, so the justice had to get creative. He had an idea. First he had a large, crude scale constructed. With Nancy Evans agreeing. He gathered the Hilderbrands and other concerned townspeople around the scale. He held it in one hand a mighty impressive Bible and he started his speech. She says the justice of the peace, whose name has been lost in the sands of time, argued the world. I'm sorry, the word of God would outweigh any demonic spirit. So I will place this holy Bible on one side of the scale and seat Miss Evans on the other. If the Bible is heavier, we will know to drive her from our midst forever and the crowd cheer so. Unsurprisingly, evans was heavier and neighbors' fears were alleviated. Johnson says she has a lot of respect for that unnamed Bethel justice. He devised a way of bringing peace to his town without having to burn anybody at the stake. She says the episode was not all that unusual.
Speaker 1:According to Erica Gasser, she's an associate professor of the history at the University of Cincinnati and says that trials of one sort or another continued long after the infamous Salem witch trials. Even today. She says we still have the term witch hunt, witch trials. Even today. She says we still have the term witch hunt People. When they say that now they tend to mean trumped up charges that are baseless and that are simply done as a kind of cynical cover for what people actually want to do, which is to just persecute people.
Speaker 1:Gasser says it's important to remember actual witch trials were conducted by people who were sincere, and human thought process have not changed since then. Well, I did not know that that term is still being used. That's crazy. But anyways, this goes on to read. It's difficult for us to not see this as an entirely irrational thing, she says, but it's important to understand that for them to find it fit in an existing mentality that was logical, based on science and believed in by some of the most important minds of the day. She says it's also easy to think a witch hunt is perpetrated by the powerful onto the powerless, which is very, very, very important to say that, again, that's cult-like behavior, right, and that's especially because we know that sometimes marginalized people were considered suspicious, and that's all certainly true. The thing for us to remember is that a lot of pressure for prosecution came from neighbors and regular people who wanted the law to get involved to stop the person who they thought was harming them. So the lesson is really we all is really we are all potential accusers. I had to reread that. So that's a lesson, so you can spread hate by just having hysteria, and your cult-like behaviors can also affect the people around you and people could be accused wrongfully, right?
Speaker 1:Cindy Johnson says soon after the Bethel trial ended, nancy Evans and her family left and moved to Brown County. If I was that lady, I would have fucking moved too. Right, the Hilderbrands took off too, but it's not recorded where they went. She says, since the trial and the departures of everyone involved, bethel has not had a witch problem. Well, that's good? I mean, I would hope not, but it's weird Again when I read that I had to reread that again that the term witch hunt is still used there. So I think that this is super appropriate after talking about witch hunts and all that.
Speaker 1:I did see this too a few days ago and I absolutely loved it, and I really didn't understand it until I started reading and I was like, oh my god, that makes so much sense, right? So it's saying this article is about cats having feminine energy and, on AI Overview, it says cats are widely considered to have feminine energy, often associated with traits like grace, independence, mystery and nurturing, which are commonly linked to femininity and human culture. This association is particularly strong in historical contexts where cats were worshipped as goddesses, like Bastet and ancient Egypt. All right, so throughout history, cats have been linked to women and feminine qualities, in many cultures even being referred to as she, despite their gender. Their sleek movements, soft fur and ability to groom themselves contribute to the perception of feline grace and elegance, often seen as a feminine. So there is some mythological connections.
Speaker 1:So in ancient Egypt, the goddess Bastet, depicted as a cat, represented protection, fertility and feminine power. So very interesting. And again, I was a grown-ass adult when I got my first cats and I cannot imagine not having cats now. Right, and I do have two black cats, and there is a lot to be said about black cats. Okay, so in ancient Egypt, black cats were sacred and considered to be divine, bringing good luck, protection and blessings.
Speaker 1:They were associated with the goddess, again, bastet, who was the protector of homes and fertility. Bastet. Bastet was a goddess of protection, pleasure and good health. She was depicted with the head of a cat and the body of a woman, and black cats are known to bring divine energy. The ancient Egyptians believed that cats held this kind of energy and there is punishment for harming cats in the ancient times. So killing a cat, especially a black cat, was a serious crime and could be punishable by death.
Speaker 1:Mummification Cats were sometimes mummified and placed in the tombs of their human companions. And black cats hold a special place in the art world. So there are many art artifacts from ancient Egypt that honor cats, including paintings and statues. So again, this is very interesting how much meaning and history are behind cats and just even black cats, right? So this explains the whole hysteria you know between black cats and you know witchcraft. So, given the belief in medieval Europe that the devil and witches were capable of taking the form of black cats, so this makes sense that the superstition surrounding crossing their paths developed, that it was bad luck which, if you know anything and you've done any kind of reading, you know that this was again hysteria, and I call that cult-like behavior, making people believe around you that somebody is evil or no good or is a witch because they have a black cat or because they were seen by a black cat or own a Ouija board or have a crystal ball or use tarot cards.
Speaker 1:The witch hysteria will always fascinate me and I'm always learning more and more about it as I delve into these conversations, even just with like everyday people and friends, even family, and the more that you read on it and the more articles that you pull up, it's just, it's actually comical in a way. I mean it's terribly sad that you know humans suffered and were burnt and beaten and even, you know, stoned to death because a group of people thought that they were a witch, right. But it's comical that people were and are so still so ignorant and that they don't have the right information on why people practice these. You know different spiritual beliefs and again, I'm glad that I own two black cats. My elder cat he was found by me accidentally. He was trying to eat a frozen piece of chocolate in the middle of a main street and of course I pulled over to help him. Next thing, I know he ends up in my truck and he has brought me so much good luck. And he was not said to stay alive, basically, when I brought him home after a vet visit and he has been alive all these years and he's the sweetest little thing.
Speaker 1:And then my kitten, which is no longer a kitten, but he is very small and his name is a Boo Boo Binks, of course, after Hocus Pocus. And he is very small and his name is a boo-boo binks, of course, after hocus pocus, and he is very human-like, um, he can take his paw and strum the guitars in our house. He, when he wants my attention, he goes and finds anything of mine my hair ties, makeup, anything, um, chip clips and he will go and hide them and he'll make sure that I know that he got a hold of this stuff and goes and hides it. He's extremely intelligent. He's very scared of people but he loves my husband and I and he loves the dogs. He actually thinks he's a dog. He loves dog treats.
Speaker 1:He is very charismatic, has a very bright personality and I can never see myself now without cats. So I'm glad that I got over the fear of cats because I you know you get told all these horror stories and you know that they scratch, it can bite. My cats do not do that. I've been around a lot of friends and families' cats and I love cats. So again, it's always interesting talking about the hysteria and the ancient history on all these subjects. Right? Thank you guys for tuning in. If you want to get a hold of us, you know you can email us at GhostSisters2124 at gmail. You can email us at ghost sisters 21, 24 at Gmail. Again, that is ghost sisters 21, 24 at Gmail. We are on Facebook, twitter, x, tiktok, youtube, and I'm sure the platforms will keep growing as the future goes on. All right, you guys stay tuned. We'll be chatting soon.
