Strange Deranged Beyond Insane
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Strange Deranged Beyond Insane
Ghostly Revelations: Haunted Condo Mysteries, Male Ego Conflicts, and Paranormal Road Trips with Kristina
What happens when you live in a haunted condo and capture more than just dust on camera? Join us and Kristina, our fearless co-host, as we unravel ghostly escapades and unexpected orbs that have mystified even seasoned skeptics. As Kristina shares her eerie experiences, we also uncover the unexpected drama that often lurks in the shadows of the paranormal community. Contrary to stereotypes, it's the male investigators whose egos sometimes ignite these conflicts, sparking both laughter and reflection as we navigate these unusual dynamics.
Together, we explore how the same ambition that drives paranormal investigators can lead to both camaraderie and competition. Kristina's fresh perspective, as someone transitioning from a personal paranormal experiencer to a formal investigator, highlights the joys and pitfalls of this fascinating world. Amidst tales of envy and unshared evidence, we spotlight the friendships that form the backbone of any great ghost hunt. With each eerie trip and ghostly encounter, our bond grows stronger, complete with humorous mishaps that only add to our shared stories.
The episode takes an emotional turn as we address the impact of loss and the renewed zest for exploration it inspires. Future adventures beckon as we plan road trips to haunted historical sites like the Roff House and Gettysburg. Alongside these plans, the revelation of Mackinac Island's witch trial history adds a compelling twist to our itinerary. Through it all, our passion for connecting with a global audience and sharing these spine-tingling tales remains unwavering, shining through the chaos and drama that sometimes accompany the paranormal pursuit.
Hello everyone, welcome back to Strange. Strange Beyond Insane. And today we have our co-host. Christina and Christina has her own picture and her own. I even wrote you like a little biography on our Buzzsprout site. Have you seen it yet?
Speaker 2:No, actually I went to go look the one day and then I got distracted. I'm fancy now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're fancy, you're like famous. Did you know you're famous? I did not know this. I'm fancy now. Huh, yeah, you're fancy, you're like famous. Did you know you're famous?
Speaker 2:I did not know this. I'm shocked.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to pull it up for you right now. I basically talked about, like, how you are in a real life haunted house yeah, which is true. Why don't you tell them about your most? I'm going to show you some videos of my cameras. What's your most recent one that really freaked you out on your camera?
Speaker 2:When the most recent one was when Layla kept, she was sitting, you know, from in the kitchen. She was sitting in the living room and the camera was sitting there and she kept staring at my room, which I was in my bedroom, and then she would look, and then she'd look in the corner. Obviously there was random orbs, orbs flying. Again, there was always a lot of orbs flying around my dad's urn, where it's chelsea's pictures there, my grandma's pictures also on his picture, and then the other corner where the cat tree is, but it's more so by the lights, which nothing's over there except for the picture of me and chelsea, but so the random orbs.
Speaker 2:But then it literally was like a minute and 30 second song, something like that, and she kept, and then she looked at the camera once. She stared at it and then looked, you know, back at something else that was moving, and then I seen another orb and then she stared at the camera and she was staring at it for like I don't know, maybe two seconds, and then you heard a and the camera, it literally so something hit my thing or my camera's on up there and the camera actually it jiggles, like you could see it in the frame Like it was jiggling, so something hit that thing and I didn't even hear it in my bedroom. I had no idea because I had my TV on. I was just randomly recording. That was weird. And then the other time before that, when the camera actually moved by, itself.
Speaker 1:Now Christina has all these videos of her. Is it called Wise or Waze camera? Wise, wise camera footage on her TikTok and I actually repost them all the time. Go ahead and tell your listeners what your TikTok name is so that they can find you.
Speaker 2:Oh Lord, I don't remember now, because I remember I had to change it on my laptop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you guys. Christina had to redo her TikTok account and we're trying to get her to 1,000 followers so that she can go live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I canceled my other one so I was able to create a new one. Okay, so my current one is Christina, with a K, k-r-i-s-t-i-n-a dot, m, dot, h, nice.
Speaker 1:All right, here you ready. So you're, you are a co-host on here and I have your name as Christina, AKA Harry, and your role is co-host. And then down here at your little bio, it says Christina is an active paranormal investigator, researcher. She lives in a real life, haunted condo. She happens to be my best friend of 20 years and counting.
Speaker 2:Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1:And then your picture is one of you on the bed with my headphones, before you got your own headphones.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, I love that picture.
Speaker 1:So that's you, Harry. You're on there. I like it, Okay. So do you want to talk about some paranormal drama today, or what? Why not? So you've been in the paranormal field now what? At least three years, three, four years.
Speaker 2:I want to say yes because remember I looked it up the first time I went to Eloise. That's pretty much when we started and I forget it, so it's been probably close to three years now.
Speaker 1:I want to say Okay, so in the three years that you have lived through this, all these chaotic moments, where does the drama stand out the most for you? Like what do you see? Like someone outside the box? You know, because I can go on and on and on, but I want to hear your like, your thoughts.
Speaker 2:So my thoughts basically, again, I've never had a huge group of friends. I've always been one of those people one or two friends. And again, I'm newer to paranormal, so I've met so many different people. Obviously through you, going to different places, whatever it is, we, you know, became close with people here and there, but to me it seems like the drama, especially within the last year, however long, it's all male drama. Is that weird? I mean, does that make sense? It's with males which honestly to me is so shocking because, especially being a girl and even being younger, I remember my mom always saying you know, you work with women, but women are catty. So usually it's females, but it seems that it's always males, which is just very, very strange to me.
Speaker 1:Wow, so you're basically saying that a lot of these guys are bitches?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it just seems like picking fights over nothing. And then just I guess jealousy which again I thought was and I know guys can be jealous obviously I'm not dumb, but it seems like again more of a female thing like jealousy over this or that, but it just it's the males I don't jealousy, or I don't know exactly what it is but then it ends up becoming drama over stuff that really shouldn't have happened or doesn't need to be there, or things that are not worth fighting over or arguing over or stop talking to people over. It just doesn't make sense to me and, like I told you that in the beginning, I'm like, you know, again, I never realized, but I'm like this is so weird to me. I don't understand why, why are they mad, or why are they this, why are they that? And then you explained it more, which you know. Then I'm like, okay, I guess I get it, but I'm like I just it's still. I just it blows my mind. Well, what would you say?
Speaker 1:I mean, since you've come in, you know, let me tilt the mic up. You know, christina definitely has her own abilities. I mean, she's been dealing with this for years, so she's not new to paranormal. She's new to like going on paranormal adventures.
Speaker 2:But um, and using equipment and actually being more aware of.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, more involved in everything, yeah, but, excuse me, when you, when you have someone like newer coming into the field, that has a lot of passion, and like Christina is awesome at finding locations, like she is really good at researching, I just feel like a lot of people got fucking jealous of her and her light. You know what I mean. And, um, you see a lot of competition out there. In fact, I was on this chick's live last night on tiktok and she had a paranormal team for 10 plus years, okay, and she said then, all of a sudden, she said about 2010, 2011, even until like 2015, she said she had seen a huge change, like a mass change.
Speaker 1:It just seemed like everybody wanted to fight and everybody was competing and people were like holding evidence against one you know one of each other and didn't want to share their stuff. And, like I told her and all the oh and, by the way, there is another follower of hers that actually this person me and this person follow each other and they have a new location opening in Kansas and we got invited. I forgot to tell you about that, so we'll have to look that up but, um, and where was I going with this girl moment. Um, you know, para unity. You know, that's why I was telling her and she was like, yeah, I would like to believe that, but she's like I don't see that a lot anymore. I said because everybody's trying to get fucking famous.
Speaker 2:Nobody is like, no one has the passion anymore no, like you said, because especially nowadays like again, you know, I know, for years they've had random stuff on tv, tv shows, but they're not as big and people are opening their eyes so much more now. So it's like you said, I feel like it's competition, like they're. Oh, I just, you know, I want to be better known for this, I want this, I want this. So I'm going to keep it to myself instead of working with a team or share it. You know it's people have opened their eyes to so many different things that years ago they're like, yeah, okay, whatever that, just you know fairy tale, or you know that, just can't think of the right word, um, not real, or just you know whatever, fake. So but now people are realizing more and more stuff actually can be true, is true, or they're finding stuff. So people are, yeah, competing against one another more than actually enjoying what they're doing and working with their friends, with their teams and yeah, we're pretty much like unofficial.
Speaker 1:We're just friends that like to do spooky shit exactly, we have a good time.
Speaker 2:We find random places. We, you know, again, I research places. She reached sorry, almost jumped researches places and we go, and then we find random places on the way, but it's, we just hang out, we have fun. It's not a competition and honestly it's. You know, we've went with multiple different people multiple different times. We have fun, but it's anytime we try and create like uh, not necessarily a group, but like uh, you know, I guess, yeah, like a group. I get what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I got a, not necessarily a group, but like you know, I guess yeah, like a group I get what you're saying Not a team, but so a group of people that you know let's all go.
Speaker 2:It ends up not working out.
Speaker 1:I know, I know In small words yeah, and then you end up not being friends anymore.
Speaker 2:So that's the worst part, where it's like's like wow, cool, I met this person. And again, like I said, I've never had a ton of friends, but it's nice to have friends or you can text here and there, not like you know super close. Like you know, I've known, like I've known you for years. You're my best friend. I stood up in your wedding. I was your maid of honor. If I ever get married, you'll be mine. If I don't, you're gonna inherit my cats in my condo. Oh, oh shut up, Bitch.
Speaker 1:we're dying together. There's no way if you die.
Speaker 2:My point is the other people you know. It's like it's cool to have you know someone like, hey, you don't want to hang out, want to come out tonight, or this or that. You know everybody just getting along, being friends, or you know here and there, but it's like you can't have that anymore. We do.
Speaker 1:We've never had an issue. But it's like other people, it just doesn't work out for some reason. I mean, my husband loves her and I together, like going out, but he also can't stand when we're talking to each other because we both are deaf. We scream at each other, we talk over each other, we're like grumpier old men but grumpier old women, if you've ever seen that movie. But it works for us and we're fine. Five minutes later, like we get hangry, we get tired, we get whatever.
Speaker 1:We pick on each other, we you know, like okay, I gotta tell them this, and I don't know if you remember this was a few months back and Christina here, aka Harry and Buzzsprout you better spell her name right, because they always put the ch and god, does that bother me? I'm'm like no, she is a K, christina with a K. How many times do I have to go in and fix this? But anyways, she had a little bit too much wine one night and I had to get close to her because I lost something and it went underneath of her seat the passenger. So I'm like bowed down getting something and I look up and she looks at me and she goes bitch, you ugly up close and I said what? And she goes. I said you're ugly. I said I'm ugly, she goes yeah, you fucking ugly. She goes. But I love you, fifi. That's the kind of friendship we have and it's always gonna say I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 2:That's what I thought I was through, that's what I thought the story I was thinking of you were going to say, but this is a different one too. I don't remember what the hell it was. We got in a little tip about something. We were driving, we were in Michigan in something and whatever happened. I remember you're like we're sitting there, you go, are you done? I go yes, I'm done, are you done? You said, yes, I'm like. Okay, we're fine, that's just our friendship. It's again. You know it's normal, but we don't carry it out. I'm not talking to you for the rest of the ride. We're not doing anything anymore. Yeah, no, we get over it, right?
Speaker 1:but that's because we have a real fucking friendship outside of paranormal right, exactly, a true friendship too.
Speaker 1:so before I get into this article that I pulled up okay, I'm not gonna say the name, but we had an event, okay, that we were supposed to do a two-day, a two-night part two-night or whatever. That fell through and we still don't understand it and it's very suspicious. And these two people we would like to think we're our friends, but, but we don't think we're friends anymore. Anywho, I guess my bulletin question for you is how did that change your perspective on, like, actually having like an event to host? When it comes to paranormal, wait, what do you mean? Like a Q&A, like that's what I'm trying to do? Like after that fiasco, even though you and I still had so much fun, we went away to Ohio for a weekend, like, did that change your passion to like still want to go do like either help host paranormal events or do anything paranormal Like I guess I didn't say that, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:that's what I was like. What do you mean? No, okay, so I understand what you're saying. Now, no, I would definitely still like to do it, just depending on, obviously, who it's with. But it's like when we go, we go together, we're a team, you know, we're best friends, whatever, but we go and do things. That obviously turned out to be whatever it was, um, but again, that's why we made other plans. But if somebody else invited us to do something, I would still be for it, you know, because I don't think it would end up I would hope not in the same way, right? But yeah, it didn't turn me against it that that situation turned me against you know everything going on with that which we still don't quite understand, um, but no, I definitely definitely still, if there is you know conventions or you know whatever, or like you know events going on, if people invited us to come, I would still like to go, because I've never been before to certain things. I like to try new things.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool, that's nice, that's good. So, like me being in this paranormal thing now, god, how many groups have I been in? I've been fired, I've quit, you know, whatever. Um, I'm sure you guys can tell on here the way I talk, like I'm not about the bullshit, like I'm sorry if my face don't tell it, my mouth does, my body language does I mean, come on, and that's why you love me, harry, shut up. I know, I know that's true. So it has changed me in a way where I used to be like you know, foot first, running right into the storm, like wanting to just do all these things and be like, oh yeah, sure, sure, sure, and I trusted everybody in the field and I was like all for it. And now I'm more reserved, now I have learned to pour my energy into my own cup more and like, obviously you're part of that cup.
Speaker 2:And like I guess that makes sense too. I guess it would depend on the like event, or on who's asking, or whatever. It is too For me as well, like I wouldn't just you know what I mean. So that makes sense too. I would just jump some random thing, or whatever it is.
Speaker 1:And you came in at a good time because you kind of had already heard some backstories, you know, and you kind of like, um, yeah, I wouldn't say that you're like overly trusting, like you're not naive, but you are very nice and you do like you know, you like the adventure people that benefit all the doubt, because I don't know them well enough not to.
Speaker 2:But again, I haven't. Like I said, I'm learning more and more now, as we've been going on like we're just talking about because I'm newer to it for the last couple years, where I'm like, okay, so this is a thing because, remember, before I even told you, I was like I'm like seriously, I'm like I'm like what is a big deal? Or you know, I don't understand what the issue is, like, I'm not understanding, I just can't grasp it. And when you would explain it to me, I'm like, oh, so, like you said, not naive, but it just it's different than what I'm used to.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, well, how many friends have we lost in the last? Let's see June, july, august, october, november. Okay, let's say in the last six, almost seven months.
Speaker 2:Oh, you might want to start from January. Well, I guess, no, not since then. At least what? Three, yeah, or is it more? Three, yeah, three, okay. I don't think I was missing anyone, but I wasn't sure. Oh God, and that's bad. It was all within a few months, so, like you said, basically. So I would say, yeah, june, july, august, september, october, okay, so basically, cause we wouldn't even it was before that. So four months, within four months, basically, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, four months, we lost three friends.
Speaker 1:Yep, and it's like, oh, I'm crying. No, fuck that. It gives us more time, more room, more energy, more positive, more doors opening. Fuck it right like we're gonna keep going, we're not gonna stop and that's exactly what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2:I don't understand, like at first, like whatever was happening here and there, whatever I'm like I don't know if they think they're rocking our world or your world, like, oh gosh, like now they have nobody, or now she has nobody, they can't do anything, they're going to be stuck at home. Um, no, excuse me, bitch, we're still going to continue as we have. We do our own thing, me and you still go out, we still go out of town. We do whatever we want to do. Whenever we want to, we make, we do it if it's nicely, you know, other people want to come, or if we invite them. We don't need them to do what we're doing, though we can do it by ourselves. We always have. So it's like I don't I, I don't understand what their thinking was. Like oh, we're gonna screw them over. Like you know, now you don't have anybody to hang out with. Um, nope, we still have each other, which we always had right, we're basically the movie Death Becomes Her.
Speaker 1:Yep, we're going to be strong, oh, and Paul's going to be earnest, right? Yep, poor guy. Okay, I'm going to put you on the spot. Another Q&A. Are you ready? I know you love being put on the spot, harry. Oh, yeah, for sure you know what I actually hold. On a minute, I think I'm going to change your nickname to Harriet with, like a spy, magnifying glass. Oh Lord, harriet.
Speaker 2:Harriet. Well, I'm still calling you Melvin Muncher. Oh, whatever, I can't think of anything more clever right now.
Speaker 1:So Well, it depends how mad you are at me.
Speaker 2:I know, I'll come up with something eventually. It takes me a while.
Speaker 1:Okay, q& me. I don't know, something eventually takes me a while. Um, okay, q a on the spot. What are your top three locations that you want to go back to and or want to try out?
Speaker 2:oh, so the want to try part is going to be hard, because I would literally have to relook them up to remember which is which for my notebooks and everything, but the ones that we went to. I really would like to go back to the Roth House. Yes, definitely for two nights again, because, yeah, that place was amazing and I feel like there was so much more we could have done, or whatever, and with daylight savings, whatever, it was that kind of screwed us over too Right, and then me not being able to get in because they don't take t-mobile down there, of course, anyways, um, that casco, trying to get it, we couldn't. Even then we couldn't even find the key lock box, oh jesus.
Speaker 2:And so the second hinsdale house. I would love to go back there, preferably whether it's, you know, springish, fallish or not, there's not snow on the ground because I would love to be able, during the day or whenever, to be able to go back into the woods and then just reinvestigate, because that was the first time I. So hinsdale house was the first time I ever went to a location and stayed overnight my entire life. So that was my first adventure this year, this past january of 2024, you know, obviously I was very nervous and I feel like I could get more out of it now than I did then, which I still got a lot out of it.
Speaker 1:then let's not forget about the intelligent responses that you were getting with your REM pod. I've never seen somebody like communicate that well with the REM pod. Yes, and that was your first time.
Speaker 2:Remember at Roth house too, with the bear, when I was asking, and then my phone didn't record, when it was supposed to, the questions I was asking for over and over, and you're like, oh my gosh, and you had your video thing and none of that was caught. All it was was pictures on my phone. I know, I know, but that was very intelligent too. So yeah, definitely, but those two places for sure. Um, and then you want to go? To? What state do you want to go? To what state do you want?
Speaker 1:to go to.
Speaker 2:So I really want to go to Gettysburg. I would love to go there. That's one of my top places. So I know the areas I forget the names of the places around there that you know you can stay at, but only because, too, my dad was very into Civil War. I have, and I know a lot about it too. To civil war, I have, and I know a lot about it too, um, but I think that would be a really cool place to investigate, to go to, for the history, for all of it, and the paranormal as well. I'd love to go there. Um, I wish I had my book. I don't even know where you want to go to. Trying to think of you want to go to new orleans too. Yeah, okay, I'm trying to think of specific. I had specifics. I don't know where my book is now, but, yeah, new New Orleans, I guess. So basically, I would love to go. Um, was it called Myrtle Inn or something like that? So it's down South, I can't remember what state it's in. Oh, is that the plantation?
Speaker 1:No, that's not the plantation right, cause I know you want to go to a plantation too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no plantations too. But I want to say somewhere that I looked up, but again, that was, like you know, down south, like a 9, 10-hour drive. That was on my long list. I don't know what happened to my papers I think they're in my other book. But so that Airbnb I thought would be really cool to go to. But then also plantations, I don't know why. Ever since I was a kid, I always wished I lived, like you know, on a plantation. I thought it would be cool, but especially like the haunted ones I would love to do that I know.
Speaker 1:I know that's on my top five too.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, and there's plenty more. I can't even think right now. Oh, asylums, well, asylums, what's?
Speaker 1:the one too. Um oh shit, what is it?
Speaker 2:I can't think of it. It's huge like humongous oh um?
Speaker 1:no, I'm not. I was thinking a lunatic um I can't it's.
Speaker 2:I don't know my damn book is either we'll have to come back to that.
Speaker 1:Well, here's another q a. After you talking this, talking about all this, where do you see your future in paranormal researching?
Speaker 2:I mean, I like doing the research, especially so. For me the funnest part is well beforehand, like for roth house, especially hinsdale, because, again, that was the first time we went to roth house, it was a couple months later. So I researched about the house, about the people, people that lived there, everything before to get like a history on it, and I wrote bullet points down so we knew, like exactly, you know what happened, the years and blah, blah, blah, whatever. I love doing that, so going into it, knowing exactly what happened. So that way in certain pictures too, like the one picture that I took there outside of the window, you could see people freaking, dancing and like they were all in black around like in a circle because they used to do seances there. It makes sense. You know what I mean Because, like, I like knowing the history behind it beforehand, as much as I can find it's.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I like doing the research to find out you know as much as I can about the stuff beforehand. Remember, I didn't find out about the rest of the family until after, because everything, when I said Rothauser, everything was coming up with the original person, mary's name or the other person's name. So then, remember, I accidentally I figured out how to find, like the other, what five siblings they had. Then I found all their stories too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they were mostly all dead too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, stories too. Yeah, they were mostly all dead too, yeah, except one of them, because remember that on the grave we thought that was weird on the back. Well, that was one of the kids that actually lived and got remarried or got remarried, got married. But so it's.
Speaker 1:I love finding out the stuff before and then even after looking more into it to find out more information on it so your future, then, definitely looks like you're going to do a lot more of this right, a lot more researching, a lot more traveling yes, I'm definitely traveling and definitely researching.
Speaker 2:I like to know, like you said, sometimes it's fun to have a surprise. I go somewhere and not really know, look into it after, but certain places it's nice to know what happened or like somewhat of the history beforehand, just because it kind of helps when we're there if asking questions or names or whatever the case may be. But yeah, no, I definitely traveling. I love it. I never thought I would. I know I will that's our new thing.
Speaker 2:We love road trips and I never thought too, because, again, rather than fly or do whatever because, well, we do smoke cigarettes and I hate, you know, airports and lugging everything whatever it is driving, even if we take a break. But that's. We keep each other company. We talk the whole time. It's nice, it goes by so quick. We turn around, we're like, oh my gosh, it's been four or five hours.
Speaker 1:Wow, we're almost here. We smoke, we joke, we listen to podcasts. We listen to our own podcasts, we listen to other people's over and over, and over, and over and over. That's how you know your best friends.
Speaker 2:Yep, she's like, okay, one more time. Okay, but we get hyped up about it. But it's so fun, because then we just talk about random stuff, like not even paranormal, it could be anything, or paranormal too, or oh, next time let's do this. But it just it's so fun, the road trip To like like be able to talk before and then when you get there you get to experience everything. It just it's fun, the whole thing's fun. It's not like the drive is a dread.
Speaker 1:We have fun when we're driving, so it just it's nice. So after after you get your mom all healthy and set. By the way, christina's mom did have surgery. She's doing good, not out of the woods yet, but she's got to kind of hang out with her mom for the next few weeks. But after that, do you have about like an idea of where you want to go for a spooky trip?
Speaker 2:I know you mentioned a couple of places. I kind of want to go down south. Isn't that what we're thinking?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to go down south, we'll go down south, whatever you want.
Speaker 2:But you mentioned, didn't you mention somewhere else too? I can't remember. Then I was like, ooh, I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 1:So we've talked about New Orleans We've talked about, like Gettysburg we talked about doing, we're going to try to do like a six or seven day road trip, right? So it pretty much just depends on which way we want to take. It pretty much just depends on which way we want to take. Now, I'm really into the, you know, like the witches, old witches, like the witch trials and shit and everybody. Okay, the first thing you think of is Salem, massachusetts. But did you know this and I do, I say this often on here Some of the most documented witch trials actually took place in. Can you do you know? No, know, no, where? Mackinac? Wait, what did you say? Saginaw? No, mackinac. Michigan, oh, mackinac island, really? Yeah, I did not know that.
Speaker 1:I'll look it up right now and I'll tell you you know, a while ago one of my clients sent this to me and I was like dude, that's so weird. It just came up on my tiktok and then I looked it up because I'm like, okay, is this for real? Yeah, it is, um, wow, mackinac Island, which, if I could spell, that would be how far is that from us?
Speaker 2:That's only a few hours.
Speaker 1:Um, yeah, like five or four hours, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't remember. I think I Googled it once, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Do you want me to read this article to you? Yeah, okay, all right. It says one of Michigan's most popular tourist destinations is also one of the most haunted Mackinac Island. The small island sits on Lake Huron, covering almost four square miles of land between the upper and the lower peninsulas of Michigan. One of the biggest hot spots for ghostly activity is the drowning pool.
Speaker 1:In the 1700s and the early 1800s, seven women were accused of being witches. Back in those days, one of the methods used for determining if someone was a witch or not was to tie rocks to their feet and throw them into water to see if they would float or not. If they sank, they were deemed innocent. The seven accused women were thrown into a lagoon on the island between Mission Point and downtown Mackinac, and all of them sank and drowned. I was going to say obviously they drowned, so they were innocent, but they killed them, right? Legend says that the women haunt the waters. To this day, visitors report seeing mysterious splashing shadows and dark figures floating above the surface.
Speaker 1:Now, that's just one article. Now there is. That would be interesting too. So, mackinac Island Witch Trials vs Salem yeah, it's said to be reported more like more trials. All right, so it says. While Salem refers to the infamous Salem witch trials in colonial Massachusetts, where hundreds were accused of witchcraft and many executed in the late 17th century, there were no documented Mackinac Island witch trials, meaning there is no historical record of witch trials taking place on Mackinac Island. Oh see, then maybe it's I didn't read the right thing. It says making the Salem witch trials the only significant witch trial event in American history related to that topic. So basically it's just saying that there's. I thought I looked, I seen something.
Speaker 2:Maybe they did their own trials, like that was their trial, like it's not a trial. You know what I looked? I seen something.
Speaker 1:Right. But the fact that it's not documented, though and you know that's because Mackinac's supposed to be this like family you know they probably don't want people to be fucking scared off.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean of times when I'm trying to look up places I put haunted and then you can see certain you know paranormal investigating or like overnight investigating, because obviously other people go even the wrong house, remember, because they make dinner for people and people stay there for weeks, whatever it is, it's like a vacationing spot, but it's also haunted. But other people don't like not a lot of people want to know that, obviously if they're just trying to get an Airbnb in the middle of nowhere or just wherever. So yeah, that makes sense yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Um, I could have swore I seen on TikTok. Let me look on TikTok on my phone, let's see. All right, so Mackinac, mackinac island, witch tiktok. Okay, but in july 24th 1960, francis lacy would go to mackinac island to visit her daughter. She arrived at her hotel. And let's see what else it says.
Speaker 2:Lacey, why does that sound familiar?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it doesn't show me the rest of the hmm, the article. Yeah, all it's talking about is that drowning pool, but I know Steve sent me this.
Speaker 2:I can research it. I'll have to. I can research it. I'll have to look it up on my laptop. Yeah, I might actually take my laptop to the hospital when I go back up there because my mom's sleeping. I'll just sit there for a little bit and then maybe I can do some research.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I'm gonna. I'm gonna read this article about um, why? Okay? So the article reads this is also you article reads this is also you guys. This is, um, the spooky stuff. And I believe this is an online magazine.
Speaker 1:It says is this the reason why paranormal drama exists? A paranormal community is a dynamic world that is both fascinating, captivating, filled with dedicated individuals seeking to unravel the mysteries of the unknown. However, this community is also one that is too often plagued by petty drama, fighting and unproductive conflicts. This is also known as paranormal drama Says the downside of passionate, sensitive souls. Why does this happen? A big part of it comes down to a lack of emotional intelligence. Many in the paranormal field are highly intelligent people, but emotional intelligence, also known as EQ the ability to understand, manage and reason with emotions is often lacking. And then, yeah, it does make sense, right. And then this says the real heroes don't have time for drama. But here's the thing the individuals doing the most meaningful, impactful work in the paranormal field usually don't have the time or energy to get caught up in this kind of drama. They are too busy researching, writing, investigating cases, planning events and pushing the boundaries of our understanding of the unknown, which is us, obviously.
Speaker 2:What does that sound like? I was just going to say what does that sound like.
Speaker 1:The researchers, authors and even event organizers making real contributions are the ones buried under stacks of case files, pouring over historical records, experimenting with new technologies and coordinating complex investigations. They don't have the luxury of engaging in petty squabbles or publicly jousting with rivals. That's true.
Speaker 2:And this reads that's like on T, right On T, like, right on point.
Speaker 1:Yep, it's exactly what it's like on T, right on T, like right on point. Yep, it's exactly what it is. I mean, come on, you can obviously see who's not fucking productive in the field right, and who is.
Speaker 2:Exactly. You want to squawk at each other and bitch or moan instead of hey, let's plan a trip. Or hey, what do you want to do next weekend? Let's go here. Hey, look what, what I found, which is what we do instead of oh, let's worry about this person being mad or this person's bitching about this. Oh, we're going to have a conversation for three days. Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because we both work full time. So like when we plan something, like we got to get on the road and go, like we only have so much time.
Speaker 2:Right and we, like you said, we plan in advance, we research, do whatever we have to do, we have a game plan. When we go there, we know what we're doing. We don't have time for the drama and we don't want it to affect us either. That's the thing. It's left behind. We go and people are texting doing whatever, Like okay, yep, nope, we're trying to do our thing now. So, whatever, leave it be, we don't have time for that.
Speaker 1:So it says the cost of unproductive drama. Lately I've noticed that the drama tends to be occupied by those on the fingers of the community Individuals seeking attention, validation or sense of importance that they can't achieve through their own substantive work. They fill the void with gossip, speculation and accusations. They create vague posts so people will ask questions or blindly pledge their support. Who does this sound like? Anyways, yep, they'll post vague screenshots that don't actually prove or show anything. They may also even share private messages that should stay private. I don't know what that sounds like. Yeah, exactly, we're not even going to say any names. But this drama comes at a cost. It distracts from the genuine, meaningful work being done. It sows division and mistrust within the community and it turns off potential new researchers and investigators who might be interested in getting involved. It pulls brilliant people away from the important work.
Speaker 2:Right, because that's what it's about. It's about researching, like finding out things, investigating. It's not.
Speaker 1:That's funny. This is really. This is so true it says. Another thing that pops into this writer's mind is that how some of these people can call themselves empathetic paranormal investigators and mediums when they can barely manage interacting with the living in a productive way. Something to think about. I love this article, oh my god. And then down here okay, so this is the last part. I love this A call for more emotional intelligence. The paranormal community would be so much stronger, so much more productive and impactful if we all focus more on emotional intelligence. This also includes understanding our own triggers, communicating with empathy, elevating each other's work rather than tearing each other down. So for all you spiteful fucks out there that want to try to ruin something so fun and that you know, christina and I here that are so passionate about, why don't you fucking use that energy and put it into a more diligent, I guess, resourceful energy? Right, stop trying to bring us all down that are actually out there fucking doing something, and even if you don't believe in it, we're trying to enjoy ourselves.
Speaker 2:We're trying to enjoy ourselves. We enjoy what we're doing. We like doing it. Instead of, like you just said, instead of trying to bring people down or say nasty things and cause more drama, just invest yourself in, put your energy into what you also say you like doing, if you still like doing it, and do that instead of everything else. I mean, why? Why the the drunk? Where's that gonna get you?
Speaker 1:yeah, and don't fucking lie like. Don't lie through the community and like right, try to make other people look like the assholes, because it comes back at you. Karma, whatever you put out into this universe, it fucking comes back to you. Believe me, it does. We've all, we have all chewed our own karma and we've swallowed it and we've had to swallow it.
Speaker 1:But like, especially in the paranormal field, like you're trying to be a good person in the living realm. Well, if you're a shithead, what do you think is going to happen when you cross over?
Speaker 2:and even even when you're still alive, though, it comes back to bite you in the ass. You try and screw over, or you destroy, or be rude or disrespectful or do whatever. It comes back to bite you in the ass. You try and screw over, or you destroy, or be rude or disrespectful or do whatever it comes back to bite you. So what's the point of it? Just don't do it. Just do your own thing then.
Speaker 1:Right, I know, stop bringing everybody else down, and we know too many people like this. And it's sad that you've only been in the field for a few years and you've had to see it. But you know what the best part is. It's made you a better investigator and researcher and it's it's lit a fire under your, your ass, to be like look, now you know, nobody can bring you back, like bring you down, nobody can stop you from getting out there. And that's that's one positive thing that all this, since all this shit has happened, it's it's taught me like do, do you, like keep doing what you love. The passion is there. The outpour will be greater, you know.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's how many times like did we say it? Like I said before at the beginning, I'm like I don't understand, I don't understand, but I'm like again, it's not. I don't understand the point of it, because it's not stopping us. It's not like our world's going to end or oh, guess what. We're just not going to do it anymore. No, we continue to do what we're doing. We enjoy doing what we're doing and yeah it. Just I don't understand the drama, like you said, or people trying to. You know, take other people down, just get along with people, meet new friends. If you run into people that are doing the same thing, you know you hang out, you don't hang out, whatever, but there's no competition. I don't know why there needs to be a competition or drama about it. It's just do what you love, you have a passion for it, keep doing it and that's what we do.
Speaker 1:Well, here this shows Okay, looking at our stats, we have 789 downloads in the last 30 days. In the last seven days, 270. Like, yeah, that's not like you know, the big time podcast downloads, but for a small podcast and doing it at home and kind of like starting from scratch. Like there's people out there like I can tell you right now I got people in Japan. Oh, I got a new listener in Germany. I thought you'd like that because you're German.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, you have people all over. When you showed me that one time, all the different, like all over the place I'm like, wow, I mean because again I'm not good with the computer stuff and all that. But when you were showing me I'm like, holy crap. I'm like I mean just all over the world, different people listening and being interested. Even one of my tiktoks, one of my um home look for my home cameras which I have no idea what it says because it's in a different language but someone I don't know what they commented could be mean, could be not, I don't know, but it's you. People look from all over. Everybody is interested in this stuff. So it's like just do what you like to do, have fun with it, enjoy it, research it, go out and do your thing.
Speaker 1:Have fun and that's why we have this podcast is because it's a journal. It really is. It's a journal for our experiences and other people out there that want to tell us. I mean, we've had a couple people reach out on TikTok hey, can you tell my story? Absolutely, but the most part is that it's a memory. These are like instilled memories, even though we have them in our brains. Like I, all this, all this, all these downloads, like all of my episodes, go onto a hard drive. And you know, when we're old, old women, old, crotchy, bitchy, you know, in wheelchairs we can, we can look back on this and we, you know, this is a, a legacy. This isn't like to be famous or to be rich and famous. I mean, would I love to make some money off the podcast? Absolutely like. Would I love to podcast for a living? Absolutely, because I love doing it, but that's not reality.
Speaker 2:like, that's why I get up and I grind before you're doing it, because you enjoy it I enjoy it, and if I didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't be paying for it.
Speaker 1:And this is why I pump content out there to tell people like there's always better days ahead. There are shitty days too, but you got to keep pushing. Whatever your passion is, start with one thing and just push it, Push it, push it, push it.
Speaker 2:And if you have the passion, like you and I do- all those shitty, frantic, devilishantic, devilish, you know jealous people, they will wean themselves out. Yep, they eventually they just trickle away because once we don't respond, once we don't, we just again let it go. We keep doing our own thing. There's they, just they kind of go away because there's no point and they want a reaction. That's what people want. They want the reaction like oh, this and no, well, I'm sorry, again, we don't have time for that. It's, it is what it is. And again we push forward, we find new things to do, we find new places to go and we're not going to stop doing that.
Speaker 1:We never have not once and the silver lining is that I almost pretty much went through my whole six and a half hours already and I'm not even into the. Well, my due date that I paid for the podcast is, I think, the 21st and it's the 4th. So we've been pumping out content and, hey, you know, listeners, if you guys are liking how much content I'm pumping out, you guys, please, you guys can email me at ghostsisters2124 at 24 at Gmail. Again, that's ghost sisters, 21, 24 at Gmail. You can find myself, christina, all of us in the podcast on Tik TOK, um.
Speaker 1:I have, I have the podcast on every platform that you listen to, podcasts on, basically Um, and you can also go onto Twitter X. You can go onto YouTube. We don't have many videos on YouTube. We're still, you know, kind of getting into that. That's going to take some time, one thing at a time or you know, like my brain, 1,200 things at a time. But yeah, if you guys want more content being pumped out like this, you know, let me know. We also on the Buzzsprout site have, basically, you can text us and let us know what you guys think and tell me if I'm going to have to pump out more and add more hours to my time, but that's it for today, christina. Thank you so much for hopping on here thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:It was interesting, like always yes of course. Alright, you guys, we'll be talking soon. Tune in. Talk in soon, tune in.
