Unveiling Kubrick's Enigma: The Shining's Hidden Messages, Moon Conspiracies, and Historical Intricacies

Chapters

• 0:00 Decoding Stanley Kubrick's the Shining
• 14:40 Stanley Kubrick's Hidden Messages Revealed
• 29:40 Connecting With Ghosthunters

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hey everyone, welcome back to Strange, strange Beyond, insane. And I am your host, melissa, and tonight I have a very, I'd say, complex episode about the movie the Shining. Now, everybody knows the movie the Shining. It's definitely a classic. So I watched this documentary today on Amazon. It took me literally all day. It's called Room 237. It's called Room 237. I have 19 and a half pages of notes. I was writing so fast and so much in my little paranormal notebook that, like my wrist and my fingers kept getting stiff and they were starting to like throb. This documentary is crazy.

Speaker 1: 0:45

Okay, for any of the listeners that don't know about the Shining, the movie, or haven't seen it, it was made in Estes Park, colorado. It's called the Stanley Hotel and the director of the Shining is Stanley Kubrick and this movie was made November 7, 1980. Kubrick and this movie was made November 7th 1980. All right, so before we go on with our notes, I do want to add that if you haven't seen the movie, I would read the novel the Shining. I still have not done that, but it's two way different stories. I mean, it's based on the same thing but it's way different and usually the books are a lot different. So there's a lot of Nazi Holocaust patterns in this movie and it actually includes the German typewriter and the reoccurring number 42, which we'll get into it. But it equals 1942 and then the german typewriter, the holocaust, the year, the, not so 1942 was the year that the nazis determined they would exterminate all, all of the jews that they possibly could. Also, the symbol on the typewriter is an eagle, which represents Adler name on it, which is also a symbol of the German Nazi and it's also a symbol in the US. All right, so Kubrick generally has symbols to reoccurring eagles in his movies and that also symbolizes state power.

Speaker 1: 2:32

Kubrick read Raoul Hilberg's the Destruction of the European Jews. Hilberg's main theme in this book emphasizes on the brutality and the I'm sorry, guys, again I wrote so sloppy today because I was trying to get everything down so the brutality and the apparatus of killing which goes into detail of list and typewriters. The typewriter in the film changes colors in a scene so it goes from like an off-white to a dark gray which is referring to the historical event. Stephen King's book the Shining again, you guys, I still have not read this, but I've been told to read the book Again. It's way two different stories. Many people have read the book before the movie. Many people were disgusted with the movie until they watched it many times. The director had an IQ of a 200.

Speaker 1: 3:30

There's many layers to this movie, along with patterns. Stanley Kubrick was indeed a very bored genius, so he started reading a lot to develop ideas of a movie that has never been done before. One reading included subliminal seduction. This book focused on how advertisers were injecting images subliminal images even to sell products more. So basically the vintage like algorithms or the OG internet right, which in my opinion that's pretty brilliant, all right. So Kubrick went to the advertisers and asked what their methods were. He later took those methods and applied them to the Shining. The subliminal mind-crafting and the scenes of the Shining were very disturbing, and it basically outlined the plot of phantoms and sexuality, along with morbid ghosts that are tantalizing and they are attracted to humans. It's always interesting to show demonizing, naked, rotten women on the screen to terrorize the viewer's eyes.

Speaker 1: 4:43

I know as a young kid who was absolutely obsessed with the classic horror films. This movie morphed my brain and made me feel weird inside. I truly was in awe and paralyzed with fear. But even then I know I wanted to visit this hotel. I've always carried the same thought process of horror films and their locations, and that is how did the writer think of this location to make this movie? Was it already haunted? What's the history on this place? Is it haunted now because of this movie? Now, as an adult, I still have the same lingering questions, but along with many documentaries that I've watched and, being a spiritual being, I know the answer. Lingering questions, but along with many documentaries that I've watched and, being a spiritual being, I know the answer is simple Releasing negative energy thoughts. Even movies could in fact stir up some strange shit. Oh, that's right. Obviously, you guys.

Speaker 1: 5:42

We've done a couple of episodes on here about real-life haunted sets during filming movies. Think about how the movie the Shining would easily be the next ID Discovery real-life story. A small family moves into an isolated hotel for the winter that turns into the abusive, crazy and violent husband that has a psychotic break, which, in turn, his psychic son is seeing horrifying and disturbing hallucinations from both the past and the future. Oh, and don't forget about the ditzy, spineless, gentle parenting. Obey her husband, mother. And yes, I almost forgot, of course, the dad, jack Nicholson in the movie, is a writer and a recovery alcoholic. The room 207 from the movie, which was inspired by Stephen King's novel the Shining, is not haunted, but the hotel itself is.

Speaker 1: 6:39

A scene that stands out in this movie is when a woman walks by Jack wearing a number 13 jersey. So just remember that scene. That's why that's in there. As Jack is sitting on a chair reading a magazine, he shoots up off the chair and throws a magazine on the chair to see close up. So like if you pause the movie and you look, it will show that it's a Playgirl magazine with topics on the front with headlines reading incest, why parents sleep with their children. Rate yourself quiz do you communicate in bed? This correlates more sexual subliminals and resonates in the beginning of the film where Danny the child is seen being abused and maybe even sexually abused. That's why Jack in this scene quickly threw down the magazine in front of his boss.

Speaker 1: 7:33

The deeper I get into this documentary, the more complex these hidden meanings become and they're even more fucked up the window in the office. So basically they imply through this documentary that it's impossible to even be there. Towards the end of the movie it all makes sense. There's a scene when Jack is at the typewriter and a chair is behind him and it's a very distinct chair right. It almost looks like an electric what's it called the electric chair, where they used to kill people in like prisoners? Seconds later, the chair disappears.

Speaker 1: 8:21

Another scene Danny is at the sink across hisopey the dwarf. So right after the pediatrician is seen leaving his room because he fainted. As the doctor is walking out, the sticker disappeared. The complexity to this scene is said that the sticker resonates as before Danny who fainted. The little boy had a psychic attack. He didn't understand the world, so he was a dopey child with an imagination. When the sticker vanishes, he sees everything and realizes his abilities. The camera is used to create an emotional architecture through the whole movie, an illusion where your mind is looking around in every scene and trying to capture everything. This is horrifying, yet a brilliant movie in even how the camera worked. Now, even trippier, the conclusion of the angles and movements prove that it's all false and impossible and that the set is completely plastic and its contradictions pile up in your subconscious. This idea that Danny was a lot more conscious about murdering his father than the narrative lets on. It's just as equally compelling.

Speaker 1: 9:47

Kubrick called the hotel to talk about making the movie at that location. While speaking ideas with the director, he was known to pick apart the brains of the owners and the workers while still on the works of the very beginning of the production. The workers while still on the works, at the very beginning of the production. He even sent out a research team to the hotel to do some early recon. Again, this director was so meticulous, even obsessively, annoying to perfectionism. I really wish that I could like totally pick apart this guy's brain. Obviously, the director passed away. I think my husband told me he died shortly after. What's that movie called? Eyes Wide Shut, I think with Nicole Kidman and, oh my God, what's his name? Tom Cruise, okay.

Speaker 1: 10:50

So this documentary even picks apart patterns and logical explanations of dreams and how they play a huge role in our subconscious. These interpretations and patterns show how stanley kubrick's brain and ideas come to fruition. He's like the mega brain of all extensive research, all the patterns in our world, then giving them back to us in a dream of a movie, even the gift of a movie about the past, but not just any past, it's the past, rather, how a movie with the past then imagines and exactly what the ghosts are, the memory. History has many cunning passages and this was said in the documentary, so this comes from TS Eliot's poem Jurination. I also find this true and influential. This also suggests that history is not a straightforward narrative but rather a labyrinth with an intricate, sometimes concluded, aspect that can easily deceive or mislead those trying to interpret it All right.

Speaker 1: 11:57

So there's a skiing pic in the game room in a scene and it's actually a minotaur, a suggested picture. Opposite side of the door is a cowboy, a man on a bronco. Another pic in the scene shows a Native American woman with a bullhead hat on, in the scene where the manager is walking them around. He tells Wendy the best people have stayed in the hotel and Wendy replies with royalty. Question mark, monarch. There's a monarch word on the bottom of the ski pick, word on the bottom of the ski pick which ties in with royalty. And the idea of all this is that the stars have stayed there. That's what the guy in the movie was getting at. Like you know, it's famous and all the stars have stayed there are the best people. And the weird thing about those pictures you know again you guys, this is people like picking apart this movie because there's so many hidden messages is that Minotaur's? Um, the Minotaur's name on that poster is said to be I think it's Asterius, which means starry, and in mythology that fits into this theory. The hotel is the Lambreth, jack is the Minotaur and then.

Speaker 1: 13:26

So the connections have been made to Danny riding his big wheel bike around, to the patterns and the logistics of the floors of the hotel. He somehow intertwines real-life narratives into a dreamlike, supernatural spiral. It explains how he suddenly ends up floors above in the same spot, different levels of the hotel, but without using an elevator, while above each of his parents simultaneously he's living in I'm sorry, yeah, he's living in all three himself, his mom, his and his dad's headspace all together at one time took me a second to like read that out loud, because it's so trippy saying that. And you guys, a minotaur is a mythical creature from Greek mythology that is half man and half bull. So what this woman was saying in the documentary is that when you look quickly at that picture, you see your brain suggests that it's a man skiing on a slope, but when you break down the picture you see what it actually is. Okay, and this all ties in together, you guys.

Speaker 1: 14:40

Okay, so the room 237, his dad, that room. So we were talking about how the son is in all three head spaces at one time his self, his mom and his dad. Okay, so the 237, when he's riding his big wheel around and he sees that naked woman. When he sees the naked woman in the movie, she's like rotted and ghostly and scary. But his dad, on the other hand, sees her as a very sexual, young, beautiful being, right. So that's his dad's sexual fantasy with the room 237. Um, I call her a ghostly, witchy phantom. And then the dead twin girls in the blue dresses famous in the movie. That's the mom's fantasy of her son danny having other children to play with forever.

Speaker 1: 15:33

So stanley kubrick, through this movie, is telling his own story and views for one. There was no maze in stephen king's book the shining, but this was added. This secret story to the movie was a birth to an idea that kubrick was involved with faking the apollo moon land. So Kubrick's movie 2001 Space Odyssey was a project for the Apollo footage shot that we went to the moon and it's saying that it was faked and that what we saw was all faked. This has been viewed by screen specialists from Hollywood in the 60s and 70s who were front screen projection experts and they said absolutely. The Apollo footage was nailed as a result of being front screen projection. If you go to any Apollo sightings online you see that they have to hide the bottom of the screen and you can always see the set screen separation line in every Apollo footage and the video footage that has a background.

Speaker 1: 16:42

Richard Halligan, researcher. He has looked into the Apollo imagery and he found all sorts of problems, including in the sky around the astronauts. He found lights that were refracting things like junk and geometry in the sky. So at first he concluded wrongfully that there are gigantic alien cities made out of glass. Seeing was reflections of light of the tiny beads on the scotch light screen which was being used in the front screen projection process. So blu-ray copies of the Shining. It's said that you could easily uncover more hidden messages in the movie with a clearer and enhanced picture. In the scene where Danny is playing on the hexagon carpet with his toy cars, he stands up and is seen wearing an Apollo 11 knitted sweater. Also, you see the cans of Tang and if you guys don't know what Tang is or was, it was a powdery flavored substance that makes an orangey like juice when water is added. And Tang was also used in an Apollo commercial.

Speaker 1: 18:06

Kubrick said that he changed the number of the room 217 in the book to 237 in the movie for the request of the hotel where the establishing shot was filmed. This was because the actual room 217, they didn't want the guests to be afraid after they watched the movie. They didn't want the guests to not want to stay in that room, obviously, to not want to stay in that room, obviously. So after these notes, shortly after the documentary, the man on here says no, that's not true, no-transcript. So for me that was confusing as hell, right, because I'm like well, why did they just say that? That's why he did it. So with that statement we know Stanley was lying. The reasoning why he changed it was because the room 237 in the film represents the moon landing stage where he worked.

Speaker 1: 19:09

Standard textbook states the distance of the moon from the earth is exactly 237,000 miles. So he changed the room number. So you would understand that that was the moon room. I mean, it's just fucking crazy how many complex like hidden meanings are in this movie, right? So again, danny has the Apollo 11 shirt on and he begins walking down the hallway towards room 237. And there's a key in the lock on the tag to the key and the words on there say room number like the N-O-237. And the N-O is an old acronym for number. So again the words say room number 237. The only capital letters on the key tag are room plus the N, and that was short for moon room, in all caps. Everything in that room that happens in the movie is fake. It has to be lied about.

Speaker 1: 20:17

Stephen King has publicized his hatred for Kubrick's movie for the Shining. It's plain to see he was pissed that Kubrick took his ideas from the novel to the next level. In the movie, while Dick Halloran is trying to get to the hotel, he passes an accident involving a semi-truck that flipped over onto a red Volkswagen. That was a direct hit to Stephen King Because the novel portrayed Jack driving a red Volkswagen but in the movie he was driving a yellow one. The reality behind Kubrick's big fuck you to Stephen King was to really fake the Shining and to reveal the idea of what he went through to do the Apollo moon footage.

Speaker 1: 21:04

It is said that Kubrick read books all the time and watched a lot of films. He lived through so much and was a very sensitive kid Because of this. The ideas, the creativity and the richness of his movies transpired through historical events and mythology, and they all came to life while watching his legendary art. The wall of terrifying blood rushing through the hall in the movie is said to be the biggest main ghost of the whole entire movie is said to be the biggest main ghost of the whole entire movie. The Overlook Hotel was built on an ancient burial ground, hence why Danny had repeatedly seized blood and says Red Room in that creepy voice. The elevators are metaphoric, sinking down to the bodies of the Indians, and that would explain where the literal blood comes whooshing out from. Also, the blood in this movie is metaphoric to the blood on which our US soils are built, on all the wars, along with the genocide of American Indians. The main metaphor to this blood scene is the elevator doors remain closed as if it's a symbol of repression and how no one wants to admit. Blood will out, murder will out, and those are tales by Walter Kern and it was also referenced in this documentary.

Speaker 1: 22:35

The number 42 also shows up on the TV with Wendy and Danny. 42 is on the front of Dick's car. There were 42 cars and trucks in the parking lot, among numerous other 42s listed in the Kubrick corner, the Uncanny. He also used patterns of sevens in the film. The hotel was built in 1907. The pic at the end of the movie where Jack is in that picture it's like right on the plaque it says July 4th Bo 1921, and that's the seventh month of the year. Okay, so the usage and patterns of sevens indicates that Kubrick referred to the Magic Mountain novel and the similarity basically concerns like a sanitarium, and the sanitarium in this other novel was a hotel high up in the mountains and always used the number seven.

Speaker 1: 23:44

This novel was written by Thomas Mann. The number seven in the novel refers to the dangerous fate that seemed to be stalking Europe in the novel refers to the dangerous fate that seemed to be stalking Europe. In the novel Nabokov Nabokov, I think, is how you say his last name used number 42 as a symbol of fate. He's viewed as having paranoia and thinks he's constantly being tracked and his life is doomed. Even though Kubrick only used number 42 once in the movie, he knew that number was viewed as a malevolent and a disastrous number. Through Stanley Kubrick's career it's easily recognizable that he studied and retained a lot of detailed information that later was influential for his own work.

Speaker 1: 24:40

The theme to the Shining movie was adapted from the 13th century musical piece I hope I'm saying this right Des Irae, which is Latin for the day of wrath, and in simple words it means impending death or mass for the dead. Which, you guys, that is what this, the music that you're hearing in the background, that like kind of comes in and out. It's actually a sound link here on Soundtrap and it is Sound 3 Diaz Array. So I know it sounds a little weird. They didn't have an original one, but I figured that would be cool to use with this. So again, you guys, my notes were insane. That was 19 and a half pages that I wrote today because this documentary literally is fucking insane. That was 19 and a half pages that I wrote today because this documentary literally is fucking insane, like it will blow your mind.

Speaker 1: 25:40

But the weirdest thing is I've been having I don't know how to explain it Like I've been having a lot of dreams about the Shining and the movie Doctor Sleep. So I've been on this kick about re-watching Doctor Sleep over and over before I go to sleep. So I go to put it on today on Amazon Prime right that we pay for every year and it's saying that I have to have some kind of subscription now to watch that movie. And I'm like what the fuck? And I was like totally pissed. So I seen this documentary about Room 237 and I was like totally pissed. So I seen this documentary about you know, room 237, and I was like, oh, I'll just watch that one, right? Well then I had to like, even though we pay for Prime, I still had to do like a seven-day free trial for I don't know what it was through Prime and I'm like you know what? I'm just gonna watch this.

Speaker 1: 26:30

But it it was weird how I've been going back and forth with the Shining Dr Sleep, shining the Dr Sleep thing, and I was so compelled in this documentary today. I was like I have to take notes and I have to talk about this on the podcast, because who would have known that there is just so many hidden patterns and symbols and history references in this movie. And the people talking on this documentary, they eagerly say like you have to watch the movie over and over, and every time you watch the Shining you will pick up on more and more and more. So then that brings me back to a lady that I've known for a while. We were in a paranormal group together. Her name is Doris and this is a shout out to Doris. She now is in the group the Ghost Whisperers, which is Dawn's group, and I've talked a lot about Dawn on here.

Speaker 1: 27:28

Dawn, shout out to you too. She is the founder of the Ghost Whisperers, so I do talk to them quite a bit, you know, and it was weird, like during this, watching all this today, I'm like, okay, I remember Doris going to that hotel, the Shining Hotel, with her I think it was her husband the Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, colorado, and I can't believe I remembered that. So I messaged her and I was like, hey, I know I'm a weirdo and I randomly remember things, because this was like years ago. I was like, hey, I'm doing a podcast episode on this documentary about the Shining and I know that you went there to that hotel. Is there any way that I can get you to hop on one day and talk about your experiences there? Because I remember her posting like paranormal stuff, like she had a lot of interactions with spirits there. She had a lot of interactions with like intelligent responses, with her flashlights and her REM pods, her ghost equipment, and she was like of course I will hop on there. I'm like that's awesome. So she was resending me videos of her adventures at this hotel and it's super, super neat that she got to go there. So you guys, stay tuned for part two of this, because I do want to bring Doris on here and I want her to talk about her experiences because she has traveled, like all over the world.

Speaker 1: 28:58

And again, you guys, if you can get onto Amazon or have anyone you know become best friends with someone that has Amazon Prime, please watch this documentary Again. It's called Room 237. I left out so much because I just wouldn't have enough time to talk about everything on here and dissect it. I would literally run out of fucking notebook paper because there is so much more. But it was so interesting to see this rabbit hole of this movie and so many meanings behind it.

Speaker 1: 29:40

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