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Crafting Magic: Behind the Scenes, Gothic Influences, and Haunting Realities
Unlock the secrets behind the cult favorite "The Craft" as we reveal how the film's authentic portrayal of witchcraft set it apart and captivated audiences. Hear about the unique experiences of working with a real witch, Pat Devon, who brought accuracy and realism to the movie's spells and rituals, and how Faruza Balk's own Wiccan practices infused her performance with genuine depth. Discover the fascinating production challenges, like using real snakes and bugs, and the uncanny occurrences during the ritual scenes that added an extra layer of mystery to the filming process.
Uncover the untold stories from behind the scenes, including Rachel True's special effects experience during the iconic levitation scene and the casting saga with director Andrew Fleming, who almost cast stars like Angelina Jolie and Scarlett Johansson. We also explore the gothic fashion inspired by The Cure and the intriguing use of real occult texts by Arthur Edward Waite, which contributed to the film's lasting legacy. Learn about the unique "witchy swag bags" that inspired the cast, and delve into the quirks, like Robin Tunney's wig, that add to the movie's enduring charm.
Then, shift gears as we explore the broader cultural impact of "The Craft," its influence on shows like "Sabrina, the Teenage Witch" and "Charmed," and the real-life horrors that inspired "Scream." We share spine-tingling true crime tales set on Elm Streets across the U.S. and investigate a groundbreaking scientific development—communication during REM sleep. This episode promises a journey through film, horror, and the cutting edge of science, offering insights and thrills for fans of all things mysterious and macabre.
Good evening everyone. It's your host, melissa at Strange, strange Beyond Insane. The first thing I want to say is Happy Halloween-y. It is still Halloween. It's 11.20pm on the clock, so it is still 10.31. So I wanted to hop on here and do some fun episodes. But before I start, I hope everyone had a safe and great Halloween. I know we did. We hung out with family and friends and, you know, walked the streets with my family, you know my nephews and my niece, and we had a lot of fun. So I want to start off with the true stories behind the making of the Craft. So that was like one of the best movies that ever came out. I know all of us girls were super, super stoked that.
Speaker 1:You know a witchcraft movie came out and you guys know this was made in the mid 1990s, in May it was released in 1996. And you know, in the 1990s the movies were made for audiences that served a preppy bubblegum world of, like, teenagers. You know, of course, the teen flick movie, clueless, that kind of started, I guess, a culture right, which I love, the poppy movies too. But when, like I said, like when the craft came around, it was, it was a very, very, very different game, and all right. So you guys know this movie is about. Um, it's not about mini skirts and iced coffees and you know daddy's credit card. It was more about Gothic, like the Gothic lifestyle, which included goth clothes, crucifixes and spell books. All right, so let's start with the fact that a real witch was hired to help make the film. I think that's brilliant, right? So the teenage you know it was. This witch was hired to really prevail, like the realness of witchcraft, and was to connect the occult in a sensitive and meaningful way.
Speaker 1:And what part of what makes this film so impactful is the fact that all the witchcraft featured in the movie is based on truth. So, according to Vice, the production team hired a real Wicca consultant called Pat Devon, who is also awesomely known as the High Priestess of Convent of the Goddess, in order to ensure that the spells and reenactments were realistic. She even supposedly consulted with her covens in order to ensure that the chants in the film were all legit. The fact that modern witchcraft was so accurately portrayed in the film were all legit. The fact that modern witchcraft was so accurately portrayed in the film gave viewers a sense that they were watching the real deal, and it gave teen girls an accurate look at what experimenting with witchcraft could be like. So also in this movie there was real snakes and bugs that that had to be used because of financial restrictions that the film had and because it was being made at a time where special effects were more expensive and hard to come by than they are now. Many of the effects involving creepy crawlies were actually achieved using real creatures. That's insane and very terrifying.
Speaker 1:So a lot of creepy things had happened during the ritual scenes. This is okay. So during the calling of the corner scene, when the girls have assembled on the beach to recite their enactment, the ocean waves kept putting out the fire they had made. According to the director, andrew Fleming, it was just this odd thing where, when the girls started, the waves kind of came up and at one point a wave came up and wiped the whole entire set out. This happened despite the park ranger having said the tide would not come in. Very weird indeed. So none of the girls in the movie were actually teenagers.
Speaker 1:Strangely enough, although the film is meant to be about teenage girls and is intended to be an empowering story for four young female audiences, the four main actresses weren't actually teens at the time that they were shooting the movie. When the movie came out in 1996, the main females were well and truly past their high school years. In fact, rachel True, who played the character Rochelle, was 30 years old. This certainly wasn't the first time older actors had been cast to play high school teens, but luckily, in this case, the young women chosen for the parts were convincing enough to play roles below their actual age. All right, so Faruza Balk is actually Wiccan in real life. I found this very interesting, actually, when I was reading about this about a week ago.
Speaker 1:One of the best things about the craft is the fact that witchcraft portrayed in the film is so accurate. Not only did the production team have real life Wicca consultant, pat Devon, working on the technical aspects of witchcraft in the movie, but actress Fariza Balk, who played Nancy, was also practicing Wiccan too, according to Richard Abbott's book Religions of the Stars. That's crazy. So Balk was so immersed in the world of witchcraft and the occult that she also ended up buying the pagan shop she had visited during her time researching her role as Nancy. This store, called Panpipes Magical Marketplace, is apparently the oldest store of its kind in the USA.
Speaker 1:This film was slammed with an R rating. One of the weirdest and most frustrating things to happen with the Craft is the fact that, despite it sticking to the guidelines required to receive a PG-13 film rating, the movie was still given an R rating. It's such a shame that the movie intended to empower and inspire teen girls and it was smacked down with a rating that would prevent younger audiences from being able to go watch it at the cinema. When speaking to HuffPost, director Andrew Fleming said that, even though they respected all the guidelines, the MPAA told him that the film would be rated R no matter what. Fleming suspects that this is due to the fact that the film involved girls and witchcraft, which he thinks the MPAA wrongly viewed as a dangerous influence for young viewers. So the story behind Manon Although many of the occult details in the film are real, including some of the chants, one of the witchcraft-related figures in the film are real, including some of the chants, one of the witchcraft-related figures in the film is made up.
Speaker 1:Manon, the god of the girls in Vogue, is a fictional character. When speaking to HuffPost, andrew Fleming said the whole idea was to make up stuff, because the gods that they referred to in the movie is something that we made up Because it might have been offensive to people if we had used real gods, so we created our own. The crew were followed by a mysterious white owl while filming. That was really cool. When I read that, I thought that was. I mean, I think that's a good omen. I mean that's how I read that, I thought that was. I mean I think that's a good omen. I mean that's how I see it. As we've seen, there were some pretty bizarre things that happened while filming the craft. There clearly was an otherworldly vibe going on and it also seemed like the spirit world was being awoken while the movie was being shot. Another one of the weird things to take place behind the scenes was that a white owl supposedly followed the cast and crew while they were working.
Speaker 1:An interview featured on Talent Develop, the producer, director and stars of the movie chatted about their experiences working on the craft. Rachel True revealed there was definitely weird energy around and we were followed around by a white owl to several different locations. Who knows what exactly this owl was doing, but it just adds to the mystery and the magic of this cult classic film. Okay, so how Rachel levitates one of my. That is probably my favorite part in the movie, and we used to do this when we were young girls at parties Light as a feather, stiff as a board. It was featured in countless sleepovers since the craft came out, and it's certainly understandable.
Speaker 1:Who would not want to try levitating through magic? Rachel True revealed the secret behind the famous scene when speaking to HuffPost. A green screen was involved and she had to lie down on a hydraulic lift. She opened up about the experience, saying I had some sort of metal thing that I laid in and they put my clothes around that and I remember thinking, oh my God, this thing is making my hips look three times wider than they are. True may have been self-conscious about that while filming, but to viewers it looked like pure beautiful magic.
Speaker 1:So the casting took nine months. This was also. I couldn't believe how long this took. So the young actresses who played the main parts in the craft performed their roles to perfection. The movie was trying to show things that hadn't really ever been shown in film or television before, so it definitely required actors who were up to a challenge and who were ready to stand out from the crowd. Again, speaking to the HuffPost, director Andrew Fleming revealed that it took nine months to find the perfect girls to play the parts. Rachel True was the first to be cast thanks to her funny quality and her beauty. The rest of the girls were cast over the following months and the end product is one of the best young, female-led casts of the decade.
Speaker 1:The girls were each given a witchy swag bag. We don't really get to hear too often about swag bags that actors are given when they join a film set, but in the interview with the cast and the crew on Talent Develop, we get a rare opportunity to hear about some of the gifts that were presented to the four main leads when they began filming the craft. Nev Campbell revealed to the interviewer when we started the films, we each received in our trailers this bag that had candles and incense and witchcraft books. Campbell says that she started using the bags contents and felt very witchy, and when she listened to Pat Devon, the witchcraft consultant, she felt inspired. We're sure that the girls loved their special moments from the craft and we do wonder if they ever go back and consult their witchcraft books when they need that extra boost of power.
Speaker 1:So Robin Tunney had to wear a wig. This is just from. She did the movie before this Empire Records, which also a classic. So that's why? Because her hair? It wasn't grown out by then, um, all right.
Speaker 1:So the director wanted the girls to look like they were in the cure. The fashion of the craft is phenomenal. Not only was it a catalyst for some truly peak 90s looks for teenagers at the time of the film came out, but it has continued to be a source of inspiration for fashionadas ever since. All right, pvc black coats, white polo shirts and rosaries were all part of the carefully curated assembles. Shirts and rosaries were all part of the carefully curated assembles. Every alt girl wanted to be part of this wickedly dressed posse. Hell yeah, all right. So, speaking to HuffPost again, the director revealed that he wanted four main actresses to have a very gothic style. That was my premise. What if those witchcraft girls in high school dressed like they were in the Cure? I just had this idea. And that they should go for a punk element. Well, witchcraft meets the Cure is certainly what we got. We've continued to look to these fashionists ever since.
Speaker 1:Okay, invocation of Disparities is based on an actual occult book. So the film Fariza, faraza Balkari, say her name. Her character, nancy, goes into a shop and reads from a book called Invocation of the Spirit. However, according to IMDB, the text she is reciting actually comes from a book written by Arthur Edward Waite called the Book of Ceremonial Magic. Arthur Edward Waite was a well-known occultist who is also famed for being the co-creator of the widely used Rider Waite tarot card deck card deck. Although his book on magic discusses the process of invoking spirits, this is not the sole focus of the book, despite the fact that the movie makes it seem that way. Clearly, this is another realistic detail. The production team slipped into the movie, basing the calling of gods and spirits on an actual text written by an expert.
Speaker 1:The infamous snake scene at the end was a tough scene to make. I'm sure it was, especially if they were real. So the craft uses a mixture of real effects as well as specially crafted ones in order to make some of the most extravagant scenes come to life. No one can forget the infamous scene where Nancy undergoes a monstrous transformation, with bugs crawling out of her mouth and her hair and fingers turning into serpents. This shot was achieved thanks to a lengthy process. According to Fleming, this was the most complicated scene to shoot, with Nancy being shot on the floor and then snakes were shot individually and then a very talented artist at Sony Imageworks put it all together. It took a lot of work for this shot to be pulled off effectively, but if you're like us then you probably remember this scene in awful gory detail. I do. Oh wow, I didn't know this. Okay, so Angelina Jolie, scarlett Johansson and Moore were almost cast.
Speaker 1:The lasting magic of the craft is down to the dynamite, powerhouse performances by Robin Tooney, fizara Balk, nev Campbell and Rachel True. These girls did an incredible job playing the occult, curious high schoolers, and it's hard to imagine anyone else playing their parts. So, according to Entertainment Weekly, there could have been a very different cast. So this is, let's see. It would have been Alicia Silverstone, scarlett Johansson and Angelina Jolie. They were all tested for the parts to film. Although we have a lot of love for all three of these sensational actresses, it just wouldn't have been the same but we not had our fabulous witchy four that we got in the final film, the Crafts Effect on Charmed.
Speaker 1:Naturally, the success of this film inspired other films and TV shows to come up with similar narratives. So the popularity of Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, and Charmed Although no one could stop others from making their own witchcraft-inspired shows. One of them took their love for the craft perhaps a step too far. If you've ever watched Charmed and you're a fan of the craft, you might have noticed something a little strange and a little too familiar. The TV show used the same cover of the Smith song how Soon Is Now by Love Spit Love, which had been recorded for the Craft.
Speaker 1:The studio wasn't sold on the idea of the movie at first, wasn't sold on the idea of the movie at first. Okay. So the craft was a huge success with audiences when it came out, and it has continued to bewitch viewers ever since. However, the studio executives weren't entirely convinced that the film's premise when it was first pitched was going to take them back to the 1990s. The craft was being made at the time before young adult movies were really a thing, and the fact that it is about teenage girls was also quite unorthodox. However, according to HuffPost, it was one shot in particular that finally convinced the studio that this was a movie worth taking the risk. The shot of the four girls walking towards the camera full of attitude and sass finally woke up the studio executives. Girl power was definitely something they could sell.
Speaker 1:The girls characters were based on real people. I did did not know that either, okay. Okay, so we've seen how many of the witchcraft-related details of the film were accurately portrayed, thanks to the Wiccan consultant and an honest desire to be respectful towards those who believe in the occult. Well, another aspect of the craft that adds some truth to it is that all four of the main characters are not only based on girls. The film's screenplay writer, peter Filardi, knew from childhood, but they also are based on all four natural elements. Speaking to the HuffPost, filardi said that the actresses were mixes and matches of girls I knew, but even more so they were inspired and empowered by goddess archetypes and earth elements. He added Sarah is earth, bonnie, with the power of foresight, is wind, roelle is the diver, the water and Nancy, of course, is the fire.
Speaker 1:The movie is a metaphor for female empowerment, right, we know that, and I'm just sitting here thinking, oh, my god, if that movie never made it to studio, like I cannot imagine life without the craft, because I know when I have first seen that movie, I was like holy shit, this is it. I mean every, all of us, all of us teenage girls like went feral for that movie. Okay. So one of our listeners actually shot me a text message. I think it was last week, actually shot me a text message, I think it was last week and, um, excuse me, he was like, did you know that the Scream movie was based on true events? And I was like, oh yeah, like that's, that's like one of the most classic um documentaries that you can watch if you're into horror, horror, cult movies. All right, so let's talk about the Scream movie and what's really behind it. It's 11.45 on the clock pm, so it's before midnight and it's still Halloween, so we have to do this one.
Speaker 1:So Scream was inspired by a real-life murder spree. All righty, here we go. Oh, neve Campbell again, great actress. So Scream is widely regarded as one of the greatest horror films ever made, with Neve Campbell in the lead role. The movie also set the foundation for a massively successful horror franchise and, directed by Wes Craven, scream single-handedly reinvented the once-dead slasher genre for a new generation. While most might hold the 1996 film in high regard as an all-time great, it's not usually seen as one of the scariest movies ever made. Ghostface is indeed frightening, but the tone isn't as dark as, say, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre other movies like that, scream aims more to be fun. You get anxious, you jump, but then you laugh, as Williamson was inspired to pen his most famous creation after watching a show about one of America's most heinous serial killers.
Speaker 1:He may not be known as Jeffrey Dahmer, or as Notorious, or even as John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy, but Daniel Rowling, known as the Gainesville Ripper. He was very, very disturbed. In August of 1990, he went on a four-day murder spree that would lead to the death of five Florida college students. Four years later, an aspiring screenwriter was watching an ABC show called the Turning Point, about the Gainesville Ripper's crimes. That left him so shook that it inspired him to write a screenplay that would later become Scream. Though the Gainesville Ripper wasn't a teenager, nor did he prank, call his victims or wear a mask, he planted the seeds of fear in Williamson's head, creating a feeling inside him that he wanted to recreate on the page. Alright, so the Gainesville Ripper's murder spree was inspiration for Scream.
Speaker 1:Daniel Rowling's rampage started on Friday, august 24, 1990, when he broke into a Florida apartment in the middle of the night where two young college students slept. He found one Christina Powell on the living room couch asleep. He watched her but did not strike. Instead, he moved upstairs and found Sonia Larson asleep in her bed. He woke her up, he taped her mouth shut so that Christina would not hear, and then he stabbed her to death. He then moved back downstairs, sexually assaulted Powell and killed her as well. He posed their bodies for the police to find, and if that wasn't sick enough, he took a shower in their bathroom before he left. The next night he struck again, this time entering the home of Christina Hoyt. What made this part of the case even more creepy was that Christina wasn't home, so Rowling patiently waited in her apartment alone for her to come back in the morning. When she arrived, he bound and assaulted her before stabbing her to death. He posed her body too, but this time took it an extra gruesome step by cutting off her head.
Speaker 1:After the weekend of horror, citizens were left in a state of shock. The crimes reminded many of the Ted Bundy who had killed several Florida college students in 1978. Rowling, sadly, was not done. Just two days later, on Monday, he broke into another apartment. He first made his way to the bedroom of Manny Tabata, I think, where he murdered him. This would be the first time in the spree that he had attacked a man, his roommate, a woman named Tracy Powell's, I don't know. Tracy was in another room when she heard Tabata trying to fight against Rowling. She went to the bedroom where she too was attacked. She was briefly able to get away to her bedroom and lock it, but Rowling broke through the door and stabbed her to death.
Speaker 1:Just as with his other female victims, rowling posed pulse, but he did nothing with Tabata Tabuda, which showed that he must have intended for all of his victims to be female and he wasn't expecting Tabata Daniel Rowling had killed before he arrived in Florida. After this, rowling stopped and went inactive for months. He could have stayed that way for the rest of his life, or he could have just waited to strike again at some point, but his past would lead to his downfall. It turned out that the five Florida college students were not his first victims. He had killed the year before too, in 1989. Not even six months earlier, on November 4th 1989, he murdered a family of three in Sheppardport, Louisiana. He had broken into their home and he killed a grandfather named Tom Grissom, his adult daughter Julie and her 8-year-old son Sean. As with Tabata and Pauls, he left the male bodies untouched, but he posed Julie Grimson for whoever would find her.
Speaker 1:Investigators noticed several similarities between the two murder sprees and believed it to be the same person responsible for both. While that helped, it didn't tell them who the person was. The only thing they had to go on was that the killer's blood at the Shep report scene, which told them that he had type B blood. The clues stopped there, but then Rowling made the all-too-common mistake that many killers have made. He couldn't shut up.
Speaker 1:While in Shepardport, a Christian couple, cindy Drozdich and Steve Dobbin, befriended Rowling at their church. They even invited him to their home several times, but quickly discovered that he had a troubled mind and they needed to get away from him. In an ABC News interview in 2021, jurasic recounted her friendship with Rowling. He'd come over every night for a while and then one night Stephen came in and he goes. He's got to go. Rowling had told Dubbin that he had a problem, and when Dubbin asked what he meant, rowling told him that he likes to stick knives into people. The um, let's see. The Shreverport murders had already happened by this time, but Drosich dismissed his comments when the news went out nationwide. However, the investigators suspected both crimes to be the act of the same man.
Speaker 1:The Florida location made her remember something else about Rowling that she couldn't let go of, remember something else about Rowling that she couldn't let go of. He always told us one day, I'm going to leave this town and I'm going to go where the girls are beautiful and I can just lay in the sun and watch beautiful women all day. She called Crime Stoppers and told them I think there's one guy y'all need to investigate and his name is Danny Rowling. Her call came in just in time, because not only would the with this affect others from becoming potential potential victims, but it also may have saved the life of a florida man named edward lewis humphrey. He had been arrested for beating his grandmother and was now being looked at as a suspect, the number one suspect in the Gainesville murders. Though he would later be cleared, some still think he was Rowling's accomplice.
Speaker 1:So I mean, that's pretty much how the movie Scream came about, and it's been a very successful franchise. Strangely enough, my nephews and nieces asked me to come over Monday night and watch the first Scream movie with them and I was like so stoked because that's the best one. I mean like anything else. I think. In my opinion, I think there's been too many made Um. I have not seen the latest two. Like the last two that were made Um, it will never hit like it did the first one. I mean, I still remember being really young and being at home by myself. My, my older brother was at work and my parents were at the casino and watching that movie and it scared the shit out of me, um, so, yeah, that's, that's how that came about.
Speaker 1:So now, the next one I want to talk about, um is Discovery. Plus came out, um, with a show called the Real Murders on Elm Street and, oh my God, this show was a lot better than I anticipated. I mean, I didn't think it was going to be bad, I just I it's hard for me to like stay tuned into like documentary shows, you know, um, there's only a few that I watch continuously, but, um, this show is really good. So the first episode is called um hold on, let me go down something like about in the walls. But so they basically took the movie nightmare on elm street and they made a show out of all these real murders on um that have taken place on Elm Street across the United States. Um, and you know, like you guys know, um, if you're a horror cult classic movie person, as Freddie always said himself himself, every town has an Elm Street. So I'm sorry, I said Discovery, it's Investigation Discovery, so ID Discovery, and so they ran with the idea and, oh yeah, okay. So Killer in the Walls is the first episode and that was fucking terrifying. So I'm just going to give you a gist of that episode.
Speaker 1:Basically there was a very disturbed man, young man I think he was 18, 17 or 18. No, he was 17. Had a really shitty upbringing, was abused physically, sexually by his family and he started dating this girl that I'm sorry. They went on one date that lived by him, right, and he became obsessed and she didn't like want to be boyfriend, girlfriend. So he snuck down to their basement and found like a small area that he made like a little hideout bedroom down there behind like an existing wall, and this girl's mother had passed away. So her and the sister were like messing with like a Ouija board one night, just trying to like talk to their mom because they were younger and they kept hearing all this like scuffling and knocking, and they just they were telling their dad like we think someone's in the walls and you know all this crazy stuff, and their dad just felt bad and thought that they were, you know, grieving and having a bad time, obviously, with their mom passing away. So all these things kept happening and finally the dad was like okay, something's going on.
Speaker 1:And then, um, this, this guy I don't want to tell too many details because if you guys haven't seen it you have to go, especially the first episode um, the dad, I mean there was writing on the walls, there was, like you know, he would like put shit on their pictures, like on the day. I mean there was writing on the walls, there was, like you know, he would like put shit on their pictures. Like on the mirrors. I mean, like, true, like a horror, horror movie, cult classic shit, like psychopath, right that you want, like the stuff that you see in movies. This is what happened to these girls. Like this girl, the whole entire family was traumatized. Um, they ended up finally finding him. One of the cops went down there and found the room and I kind of forgot, like the details on how he did that, but that episode scared the shit out of me. Like I cannot imagine being that young girl and knowing that you, you know, you were like telling your dad, like, hey, there's something going on here, like I think somebody's living in the walls or someone's like you know, at first they thought it was supernatural but then they realized that it wasn't right. Um, oh, yeah. Then the second episode too, and we have serial killers. That was gruesome as fuck. That is another one. So that is from. So I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:The first one, elm Street, is. Elm Street is, um, it doesn't tell me what state that's in, not on like the, let's see, well, you guys will have to watch it, but um, and then the second episode is it show where I thought this was like in Colorado. But this one was, oh, it was so gruesome the murders and it ended up being a friend of the girlfriend, like a coworker, and this guy, he just snapped and the gruesome way he killed his friends was disgusting. Yep, so it just says 512 East Elm Street. It doesn't tell me what state it's in. So that was 512 East Elm Street. The first one is let me see five year old son. Okay, this one, yeah, it just says it's from October of 1987. Yes, he doesn't even tell me, but these are all obviously on Elm Street across the US.
Speaker 1:Um, the third one, the Wheel of Punishment. I don't know if I remember that. I think that's the one where the guy I remember that. I think that's the one where the guy went crazy and he I don't know if his like wife died, but he hated the teenage girl across the street, for whatever reason this is another Elm Street, of course and he always blamed her, like. He always like said that she was like in and out of his house and she never was. And they interviewed her too, like being older, and she was like. I don't know why he hated me so bad. I never did anything to his house and I can't remember details of why these it was a guy and a girl, they're cousins, they were. They never showed up to the family Thanksgiving dinner and the family knew something was wrong and because you know they couldn't get ahold of them or anything, well, they snuck into this house. I forget why, why people wanted to go into this house, but anyways, this lunatic man that lived there, that hated his teenager neighbor, that was suspicious of her breaking into his home, which she never did.
Speaker 1:So now you got the, these two cousins that do break into his house, and they start, the one guy start. And here's the thing the homeowner was waiting. It was like a fucking trap. It was such a horror movie, like real events happen. The guy sat down in a chair in the in the dark. He waited for the boy cousin to walk down, boom, shot him. Um, so his the girl cousin like obviously heard something and came down trying to see if her cousin was okay, and he shot her. She didn't die right away.
Speaker 1:And then he, you know, he hid the bodies in his basement. He just had him laid out, rolled in like carpet or whatever for like three days. And I forget how the police ended up there. I want to say the neighbor called and said that like he was like, you know, lost his marbles or whatever. But anyways, when the cops got there he was completely calm and they were like, why do you have these bodies in your basement? And he was like, well, they broke in. So I shot them. And the officers were like, why did you not report this? And he was like, why didn't want to ruin everybody's Thanksgiving? So this fucking guy chilled in the basement with these two teenagers shot to death. And then he went on and said that, um, the girl was laughing at him like as she was dying, but it was like all made up in his head and he he let her lay there for a little bit and suffer before I think he finally shot her again.
Speaker 1:But you guys have to watch this show, it's. I thought it was really good. Like I said, it's a lot better than I thought it was gonna be. Um, but of course, during this show, the first thing I do is I hop on my phone and I'm like how many Elm Streets are there here in Michigan? So, just to give you a gist, there is Elm Streets in Detroit. There's Elm Street in Michigan oh, I'm sorry, that's Indiana, okay, so there's Elm Street in Joseph, michigan, michigan. Elm Street in Chelsea, michigan. Elm Street in Zeeland, michigan, which I actually went to visit Zeeland, because I've never heard of it. I remember when I was looking up this street. Then there's Elm Street in Elginac, michigan. There's a lot.
Speaker 1:Now another episode will be me looking up these streets in Michigan, dissecting all of them, seeing how many murders or if there's any crazy murders. Um, but there's Elm Street in Ann Arbor. Elm Street in Three Oaks, michigan, um, michigan. Elm Street in River Rouge in Michigan, let's see, let's see how many more there are Elm Street in Petersburg, michigan. There's an Elm Street in Wyandotte. Elm Street in Big Rapids.
Speaker 1:Elm Street in Kalamazoo of course, kalamazoo. I think that's all for right now. Oh, wow, there's an East Elm Street, north Macomb Street, historic District. Okay, that's the city of Monroe. So in Monroe, too, there's an Elm Street in Holly, michigan. There's an Elm Street in Holly, michigan. That's crazy. So I'm going to have to go through all of these and see if I can find any crazy like murders and or serial killers. But, like I said, that will be another episode, all right, so I am going to end this episode with this because I think this is super cool and if you guys listen to one of my last podcast episodes, okay, I had to grab that. Sorry, guys. When I had Teresa and her kids on, I did talk to her niece, vanessa about this new study. I did talk to her niece, vanessa, about this new study. All right, let me stretch this back because I'm going to play a recording for you guys.
Speaker 2:I think this is extremely interesting. Researchers at REM Space just confirmed that they had two people communicating in REM sleep and they can prove it. For the first time, two people have successfully communicated in their sleep. Further down in the article, the researchers state that they believe that communicating in REM sleep and the possibilities that it will bring, will be the next step after AI, that that's going to be the next step in technology and when you think about it, it sounds pretty amazing amazing, I think. If we can get the next 10 or 15 years without killing each other as a species, we are going to see some of the most magnificent, magnificent advancements in the human brain and science.
Speaker 1:Researchers at rem space so I guess my my question about that is that if we can communicate in our sleep, can we share nightmares? That's something to think about. All right, you guys. Thanks for tuning in and again, happy Halloween, and I hope everyone had a great time tonight and we'll be chatting soon.
