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Vigilante Tales: The Alaskan Avenger, Justice Failures, and Hilarious Friendships
What if you could justify breaking the law to serve your own sense of justice? In our latest episode, we dive deep into the controversial world of vigilante justice with Carissa’s segment "Coven Of Curiosities." We unravel the harrowing story of Jason Vukovich, the Alaskan Avenger, whose traumatic childhood pushed him towards a life of confronting sexual predators. We draw fascinating parallels to the movie "Kick-Ass" and discuss how Jason’s weapon-free approach aimed to evoke fear more than harm. Through this gripping narrative, we spotlight the systemic failures in monitoring convicted offenders and contemplate the broader implications of Jason's vigilante actions.
Switching gears, we tackle the frustrating flaws within our criminal justice system, looking closely at cases involving individuals found not guilty by reason of insanity and repeat offenders. From the tragic cycle of abuse to personal stories involving family working with emotionally impaired children, we paint a vivid picture of how trauma perpetuates crime. The episode also features the compelling story of Mary Ann Backmeyer, a mother who sought her own brand of justice against her daughter's killer in Germany. We delve into the moral complexities of justice and punishment, questioning the balance between law and personal retribution.
On a lighter note, get ready to laugh as we stroll down memory lane, sharing hilarious high moments and the joys of true friendship. From quick poopers to edibles-induced galaxy trips, our candid stories are sure to bring a smile to your face. We reminisce about our quirky devotion to New Kids on the Block and the fun debates over memorabilia. As we wrap up, we reflect on aging gracefully and the beautiful chaos of embracing every stage of life. Join us for a rollercoaster of emotions, from thought-provoking discussions on justice to laugh-out-loud anecdotes about friendship and life.
Good evening everyone. It is your host, melissa, back at Strange, strange Beyond Insane, and we have some great news tonight. Finally, our co-host is back, hello.
Speaker 2:What's your name? My name's Carissa, or the Issa's, and tonight we are doing my little segment Covenant Curiosities.
Speaker 1:With, and what's making you so creative? Well, you made me so creative.
Speaker 2:Oh, aren't you sweet. Lies, not lies.
Speaker 1:I guess we can't get rid of each other, so whatever, go on. I'm just kidding. Really, I really do like her, I fancy her, I promise.
Speaker 2:Oh, you fancy me, I do Aw.
Speaker 1:You know, you guys, before we started we should have totally just went raw and authentic crazy, like we usually do, because we were both laughing at each other's cackles and we sounded like crackheads without lighters, mixed with witches anyways. So carry the coven of curiosities. Opens up a whole nother world. Like think of aladdin and jasmine a whole new world right now. That is where we're at. A whole newher world. Like think of Aladdin and Jasmine a whole new world right now. That is where we're at. A whole new world. Sing to us, baby.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I have no singing voice. I wish.
Speaker 1:The only time I'm singing is in the shower. Let's be honest, or?
Speaker 2:in my car, I know, don't you In the living room?
Speaker 1:Don't you hate when the artist fucks up the song when you're trying to sing it?
Speaker 2:I don't like learn their lyrics. Come on, unbelievable all right.
Speaker 1:So carissa here has brainstormed. She's had some months to brainstorm. All these fun, what are you doing? Cults and cannibal cannibalism and tell us.
Speaker 2:And serial killers and anything that I find interesting, and tonight we are talking about real life vigilantes.
Speaker 1:Ooh I like it.
Speaker 2:You were right. I told you you were going to be surprised.
Speaker 1:Wow, okay, tell me more.
Speaker 2:So like, okay, I was talking to my husband and he's the one who turned me up to this guy. He's called the Alaskan Avenger and as I was like doing research.
Speaker 1:Do you remember that?
Speaker 2:movie Kick-Ass.
Speaker 1:Kick-Ass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the superhero guy that's like at lanterns and you know he is like a common citizen. Oh, the native guy, the native.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's badass. He actually just got in trouble in real life. Yeah, someone pissed him off in the crowd. They were taking pictures. I think he like beat the shit out of somebody.
Speaker 2:So he is real life, badass, interesting the way he perceives things and his perception of the world and I really enjoyed it and I'm kind of excited to talk about him. Okay, but hold on. If she started petition to release him from prison, I would so let's put the stop sign up now.
Speaker 1:Did you guys hear that her husband turned her on about this guy? Guy if you're listening. She meant to say that you turned her on first and then this guy, because you're so, because she was so hot and bothered she got excited about this documentary. Anyways, go ahead. Sorry, Okay, sorry. He's going to listen to this and be like what the fuck? I know it's okay, he's annoyed already. It's okay.
Speaker 2:So the Alaskan Hunter, his name is Jason Vukovich.
Speaker 1:And he was born and raised in Alaska.
Speaker 2:So he essentially came from a single mom. I'm not sure exactly when dad left the picture, but mom, remarried and the stepdad ended up adopting him. And this stepdad, his name's Larry. He is not a good guy, even though he was like a church going man went to church like four times a week. He was s-a-ing, or can we say the word? Oh yeah you can.
Speaker 1:You can say all that on here. We're not on tiktok. Go ahead, say whatever you want okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So, um, the stepdad larry. He had charges of molestation of a minor and got convicted, but the three-year sentence was given and then he was allowed to come back home where he abused Jason and his brother by molesting and raping. Wow, of course. And the worst part is is that you know this guy had been convicted of molesting a child prior and no one checked on the family to make sure that it was not going on within the household. Wow, you know, they always get let off.
Speaker 1:They always get fucking let off and then they do some horrible shit, and it's a system that fails yes, yes, absolutely, yup, I agree.
Speaker 2:So he always kind of had a thing against sexual predators and, like Jason, he had like kind of a rough upbringing, like he ran away from home and he moved out of state um before he ended up moving back to alaska. And when he moved back to alaska he was, um, he all he did was go on the sex registry, looked up a bunch of sexual predators, put their names down on what he called was the quest log, and he ended up choosing, out of the list of names that he wrote, three people that he had convicted for hurting.
Speaker 2:He never used a knife, a gun, never had a mask he wanted to be a man and do like hand to hand, combat and instill fear in these men, but not necessarily kill them, even though I would have much rather he had done that. Praise him to the heavens, so what he did was like awesome. I would have much rather he had done that. Praise him to the heavens, so what he did was awesome.
Speaker 1:So unfortunately, he said that a lot of the names that he looked up on the sex offenders list did not live at the addresses that they were registered at.
Speaker 2:list did not look at the addresses that they were registered at, which is just another, you know, lacking area in the community, or even the legal system on keeping these sexual predators in check.
Speaker 1:Wow, and this is a Native American actor. Guy like the badass guy.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. I don't know if he's Native American or not, but he's like a real-life vigilante. Oh okay, that's who that guy played. I don't know who played, I don't know if it was even based on him, to be honest, but there's just a movie that, like it, made me think, oh, let's do vigilantes, not just this one guy.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's cool, Like you're talking about, like vigilantes, like the bikers.
Speaker 2:Not even vigilantes like bikers, just vigilantes of people, common people Not even vigilantes like bikers, just vigilantes of people, common people that are taking business in their own hands and doing what the legal system is failing to do.
Speaker 1:I think that should be fucking legal.
Speaker 2:I agree, Absolutely I agree.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry there's no place in life for these pee-pee touches?
Speaker 2:No for these pee pee touches. Yeah, like the first guy that he verbally assaulted was back in June 2016. His name was Charles and he beat him up, but Charles Albie is his name. He raped his daughter and had a child with her.
Speaker 1:Oh god, I hate hearing stories like that. It's so nasty.
Speaker 2:Exactly Like revolting, like I would probably do exactly the same thing he did, but I may or may not have a gun in this situation.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean you know like, and that I have to know like, and that I have to think, like I always think about this. Right, like it, it has to be a fucking setup, like the government or the elites or whatever, like they have to know that they're allowing these people so back into other like a civilian everyday life. They know that they they're going to fuck up again. They know that you know what I mean. Like it has to be a setup right.
Speaker 2:And why isn't there stricter laws for sexual predators? I'm sorry, but like castration, yep, just take them out. There's plenty of things you can do to take away somebody's urges. Just take them out. They should get the things you can do to take away somebody's urges.
Speaker 1:Just take them out. They should get the death penalty. Oh, I agree.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and some states do have the death penalty for pedophilia.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, because, but it's not in enough states. And you know what, even if they go to prison, they ruin someone's fucking life forever. Somebody has that nightmare of that forever.
Speaker 2:Yep, and even though I will say, you know, in jail and prison, you know, sexual predators are on the top of the list to have the shit beat out of them. Yeah, I agree. So so at least there's some more justice being done inside the walls, but most of them are in segregated areas where they all hang out together or they're in solitary confinement for their quote-unquote safety I don't know, I don't think they deserve safety. No, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1:It just, it makes me so sick, it just, well, it just makes me. And I I mean, you know the story when I, when Ryder, was a baby, my godson and.
Speaker 1:Sam's son and then Amanda's son at um Rose Point Water Park. Like I had to fight off one of those sickos, those pervs. Like he was outside of the bathroom licking his lips staring at the boys and I mean, dude, I went into like panic mode. I was like get the fuck away. I mean I was screaming, I made a scene. Thank God people ran up and I told everyone and that guy was gone.
Speaker 2:I mean he was gone quicker than I mean, it was like a flash of an eye, mm-hmm. It's just so scary how I mean all these sexual predators. They want to be recognized in the fucking community as you know, no different than you know somebody. You know it's okay to be attracted to a minor. There's nothing wrong with them. It needs to be accepted in society, right? And that makes me fucking livid, I know. No, I will never accept you in society.
Speaker 1:No, no, because they're never going to change no no, not at all. You know, I do want to bring up um a quick little thing about that. Um, I didn't mean to press on the video, I think that came on um, but really quick, remember I was telling you about the true story behind the real murders on elm street yeah okay, I didn't get through all of it, obviously, because you know I've been feeling ill, ill and I fell asleep halfway through.
Speaker 1:But really quick. A really perfect example of your podcast tonight is the first murder on the street was a teenage boy, and I'm just going to. I'm not going to go into details, but he was sexually molested growing up. His family was really fucked up. He was beaten, all this shit, and the first time that he had got caught well, they couldn't link him to the other murders, but he was hiding, basically living in this basement of this house, terrorizing this family and tried to kill them multiple times and they finally, they finally um, indicted him.
Speaker 1:You know whatever, but he was 17 at the time and he went to juvenile and then he got out in like three years or something and then he fucking murdered again and it's like they knew and even the detective was like god damn it, like why was? Why was he? Why did he get out, like? And you know, one thing that made me think of this is that the detectives on there were talking kind of shit about judges, and I guess that's why they try to nip it real fast before it can go to the judge, so it kind of makes me, oh, like what the police are doing, or something. Yeah, yeah, huh, but that's Well, I mean Prime example of what you were just saying, though, and then they get back out on the streets.
Speaker 2:Well, it's just like somebody I know that works at a psych ward, but it's a criminally insane psych ward. And when you are a child predator psych ward, and when you are a child predator because you have not been found guilty, because you're found not guilty by reason of insanity or something along those lines, once they get out they never have to register as a sex offender because they were never found guilty of a crime. They are repeat offenders and they go right back into the system or are quote unquote, rehabilitated, sent back out into society and the same thing happens again. They don't learn and they know they can get away with it. Our justice system is so fucked.
Speaker 1:I know we've been saying this for years. My mom used to always say that too, because my mom worked with emotionally impaired kids and the families that they came from. I mean, you're a product of your environment. A lot, not always. I'm not going to say 100%, right, right, but like most murderers and you guys, carissa is like the murderer whisperer. She loves all the murderers, not loves them. I'm sorry, she loves, she's intrigued, I'm intrigued. The murderer's not loves them. I'm sorry, she loves, she's intrigued. Like she's intrigued, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 2:And like the police, Because I don't understand how their mind works Right, you want to know.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a Gemini in you. Yes, because you forget, I'm a Gemini rising.
Speaker 2:Yes, you are.
Speaker 1:That's why we yeah, when her and I conversate, like we probably I don't know maybe about a thousand topics and not even an hour, so you, oh our text messaging is like three separate conversations going at once. We understand it though, right? Yes, we sure do.
Speaker 2:No one else would. No, they've been looking at our messages going. I have no idea what this is meaning. I know.
Speaker 1:But how okay. You can say probably like, let's say out of 10, let's say at least 7 out of 10 murderers and rapers and pedophiles and all this and just disturbing shit. Most of them come from dirty, nasty backgrounds Like they were molested. Yes, they were beaten, like it stands true. Most of them have very traumatic backgrounds yes, right, yep. Yep, yep, and it's sad.
Speaker 2:It really is, it's really sad.
Speaker 1:It's sick, it's twisted and it's like I don't know. It's like how does this keep happening? Like we need a whole new legal system, we need a whole new presidential system, we need a whole new fucking system here in the us yes, a whole restructure yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:All right, so keep going about these vigilantes, okay so, um, the second person that he um took care of was two days later. He actually had some girls with him, um, that went to like go fuck up this guy for justice and like robbed him. And the third guy that he uh took out his anger on was two days after that. Um, his name was wesley and he this one weird. So he knocked on the house door for like 45 minutes and no one answered. So that's when he broke in the house and this is the first time he actually used like a weapon and it was a hammer and he fractured this guy's skull. But there was another couple in the house that called the cops when Jason had left and the cops got him at the end of the street and he was fine with being picked up. He has no regrets in what he did.
Speaker 2:He was in court for two years, from 2016 to 2018. And he was indicted on 27 felony charges, um, but they're all running. I think it's concurrent, um, because he's got a total of a 23 year sentence. That's it, yeah, that's why I don't think that that's too much I think said he should have been let go on just probation.
Speaker 2:I mean, he did the common people a good thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're talking about the guy that went after the bad guy.
Speaker 2:Okay, yes, yes she's saying he's the one who got the $25,000.
Speaker 1:Well, because that's how the system's rigged, they figure well, since you took it into your own hands. Then they look at you like you got the dirt on your hands, like you're the dirty one that's fucked up, correct?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, sure is. So hopefully he gets out sooner than that, um, but he was funny on the um documentary. He was like thank you to everyone that's putting money in my commentary and writing me letters and you know people are like writing him their experiences of their sexual abuse and he feels like it's, you know, really rewarding that he's doing what he's doing.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Yes, what he's doing, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I got another person and she is called the Revenge Mother. Wow, yes, her name is Mary Ann Backmeyer and she was in Germany and she shot her daughter's killer. Good, so back in, like I think it was 1980. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was 1980. Her daughter was only seven years old and she was found in a cardboard box. Oh my God, yes, and this killer already had time on station charges. But here's the fucked up part. He, the killer, his name was something Krakowski I know that I can't think of his first name, kloss so he stated in court that he did not sexually assault the little girl. It states that, and this is so fucked up. How does a seven-year-old even know this.
Speaker 2:I mean, I have an eight-year-old and he has no idea what sexual abuse is, what blackmail is. But this close guy stated that this girl threatened him and said if you don't give me money, then I'm going to tell my mom that you sexually assaulted me.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that was his story. And he had a hormonal imbalance and he did voluntarily castrate himself. So he might not have sexually assaulted her, but he killed her. I mean, there's no way to tell if he did or didn't Jesus. But the mom was Mary Ann. She was so pissed about what he's saying and the lies. He's saying that she had a .22 caliber pistol, shot this guy eight times in the courtroom. Six of the shots hit him. He died in a pool of blood. Good, yes, but she ended up getting sentenced for premeditated manslaughter, but she only got six years. Meditated manslaughter, um, but she only got six years. So I don't think that was too bad. It could have been worse for killing somebody, yeah should have got any time, but you know, I got I got a question for you.
Speaker 1:While you're talking about these vigilantes, would you say that vigilantes and like highwaymen are kind of the same Would?
Speaker 2:you say that vigilantes and like highwaymen are kind of the same. Do you believe that there's still real life, vigilantes and highwaymen? Today Right the problem with, like, the news and stuff all they want to focus on because they want to distract us Right, and they want to show how bad everything is. They don't want to show the good that's still in this world and people that are still good-hearted, people that want to do the right thing.
Speaker 1:So what joint, what flavor are you smoking Today?
Speaker 2:actually, I was just going to light up and swear that. You said that it's Hymen and it's called Sherb Cream Pie Hymen. I don't know if you've ever heard of Hymen. It's like a brand name of weed. So my husband got it for me and it's got like a glass tip at the end of the joint, so I know it's going to hit really smooth. Nice, I'm kind of excited. Nice, next time we'll have to do one together and when I get joined over I may smoke some with me. Oh, what is that? I have no idea. That wasn't you? No, to join over on me and he smokes up with me? Oh, what is that? I have no idea. That wasn't you. No, that is so weird. I have nothing going on in my kitchen right now. That is so weird.
Speaker 1:I wonder if it's going to pick up on the podcast.
Speaker 2:It sounded like a UFO ship. Maybe it was. Should go check my front window.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, send the little green men my way, or the green men you're scared of them?
Speaker 2:well, yeah, I'm scared of them, probably don't want to go up to your mothership and then so I got one more for tonight, and I thought this one was really awesome because there were so many people involved in killing this one guy.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, let's hear it.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Skidmore, missouri, this is where it happened. The whole town took out or killed, or whatever you want to say. This guy was named ken elroy. Ken elroy, yep, e-l-r-o-y, okay, oh, this shit's tasty.
Speaker 1:So yes, carissa, carissa. We can smell it and taste it through the microphones and the speakers you should.
Speaker 2:It probably smells delightful. I don't know if it's a taste I can't smell but I can taste it and it is on point. Yes, so Victor, he was. Yes, so, um, he was indicted 21 times for theft, arson, child molestation, statutory rape, but was never convicted on a single charge. He found a loophole every which way. You know authority was lenient with him, like I don't know where the fuck up happened, but this guy got away with 21 indictments.
Speaker 1:Holy shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like what a piece of shit. So no wonder the town wanted to stalk her dead.
Speaker 1:Good, they kill him.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'll get that. Yeah, so okay, so like one thing. So he, to avoid one of the indictments of statutory rape of a 12-year-old, he married her at 14 to avoid the charges oh God, like he had the charges, divorced his wife and then before court and everything started. He married her at the age of 14. And the parents objected. So what does he do? He killed the dog and burned down the parent's house, oh my God. And nothing was done.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna look up this guy.
Speaker 2:Then he killed a farmer in 1976. And then in 1980 he shot an elderly grocery worker in the neck, and that's where he the daughter found her yeah. Discovery Plus. The older woman that he killed and the daughter found her. Oh really, yeah, I did not read about that. I did not see anything about that.
Speaker 1:This was um, this wasn't. He was from Missouri. Yes, yep.
Speaker 2:Same for this Missouri.
Speaker 1:Blood man who bludgeoned wife gets 26 years to life.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's him no, because uh, he's dead okay. So what happened was, once he got put on a band um the townspeople, like all, got together and was like we need to get rid of this fucker. So they went to the bar where he was at, there was about 50 people and they all pretty much had turned, beaten the shit out of him.
Speaker 1:And somewhere along the lines.
Speaker 2:He was shot by two different guns, sweet, and he crawled to a truck. He died there and while he was bleeding out, not a single person called the ambulance. Not a single person called the police. And here's the best part no one was ever charged with the crime and there's still no charges on that as of today, since nobody in the town would testify against one another in court, so they could not get a case.
Speaker 1:That's an amazing story, is it not? Good? Good riddance, yep. You know what I think? I just what they should bring back stoning to death. We should all throw rocks at those pedophiles you know, and people, some people that are listening, you know, or that are going to listen to this. They might say wow them. Girls are fucked up and two wrongs. Don't make a right bullshit. Get these motherfuckers off the streets get them away from kids you know what? I don't have children. And guess what? I am a protector of children.
Speaker 1:and here's the thing. Yes, this is the problem with today's society. I don't care if you don't. You know, care for kids, you don't want kids or you don't have kids, but you love kids. It is our job as adults to fucking protect children. It's a communal thing. You should be, everybody should be protecting kids Absolutely Like I don't care if I walk out my front door and I see a kid that needs help across the street, I'm there, I don't give a fuck. Like if I got to bring my gun, my bat, I don't care.
Speaker 1:We need to do that, as women, as men, as, like I said, communities, like children, should be safe and feel safe.
Speaker 2:Yes, I agree, and you know what I was just thinking of, this Kind of starting the same subject. But it's like those people that go behind and go out in the dark web and pretend that they're like a 12-year-old boy talking to like an old man, like again another form of vigilante where you know they can turn it over to the cops and get these fuckers arrested.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep, absolutely, oh yeah, right here it says Ken Rex McLary, who was shot to death in plain view of 30 to 45 people in a small town. No one called an ambulance. Ellroy was such a bully that even 30 years later no one will say who did it. That's on fucking Reddit, this guy. Okay, let's, let's read the comments for Reddit. We'll read a few. This guy goes Jesus. These accounts paint this guy as not just a bully but a violent maniac. He shot a grocer in the neck, destroyed people's property and harassed women with total. I think that's a whatchamacallit misprint In this small town for years. No wonder nobody's saying anything. Everyone knew they'd be happier and better off if this guy just disappeared, and I bet the person to kill him was a silent hero. I can't even begin to imagine being hated so much that an entire town wanted you dead. Guy was a grade A psycho by the sounds of things. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like that guy had a fucking comment 21 and never, no.
Speaker 1:Damn, there's a lot of Reddit comments, comments. This man was a monster. If anyone needed killing for the good of everyone involved, it was ken mclary. I think the investigation went like this cops. Did anyone else see who did it? Town nope, wife, nope cops. Well shit, I guess we'll never know. This guy says live your life so that the whole world finds no joy in your death there we go this guy once says it was for the greater good it really was.
Speaker 1:Did you just hear that noise? Yeah, what is going on, girl? There was a car taking off down my street. Do you got alien invasion? Like, why are you? You better get off the phone with me and go take videos. I'll be too scared to go outside. Oh my God, don't be a sissy, even if they pick you up 50 feet off the ground.
Speaker 2:Get a video for me.
Speaker 1:How am I going to send it to you when I'm in another planet? No-transcript Ew. Oh, it would be so cute. Hopefully it has Ew.
Speaker 2:I think in the movie Aliens, where the shit like comes out of their chest.
Speaker 1:I'd be like dang girl, you a freak. Okay, so do you want to talk? We're not going to say where this is, but so far us three girls so Carissa and I went separately, me and Christina went separately All three of us have had the most physical. I don't want to call it attack. What would you call it at that cemetery?
Speaker 2:Not an attack, but a warning.
Speaker 1:It was weird, though, like we literally all three were like paralyzed. So a warning for like what do you think's there? We gotta go back.
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't think that's a spirit, do you?
Speaker 1:No, I don't think so. If it is a spirit, it's not, then it's a very strong spirit. That or it was never human.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm thinking. We gotta get out. We need to go back there and get evidence.
Speaker 1:We need to go, we need to get out there with like some daylight.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We need to Well, hey that weekend that I'm kid-free, let's plan it.
Speaker 1:When are you kid-free?
Speaker 2:October 25th.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that whole weekend.
Speaker 2:That's a month away, yeah that's true, we'll be gone before then. Sorry, I'm just excited I'm having a take-free weekend coming up. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because your mom oh yeah, your mom didn't take Jackson this summer because she was here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I didn't even get rid of him for a week in the summer.
Speaker 1:Do you want to um? You want to um?
Speaker 2:you want to talk about our new group name. Yeah, we can Do you remember? What it is. We have changed our um group name.
Speaker 1:So we we have been helping out at the Cracker House that's in Mount Clemens. It's a historical building.
Speaker 2:In.
Speaker 1:Michigan. Is this going to be the third year? Yeah, the third year.
Speaker 2:Yep third year.
Speaker 1:So we had, you know, on the couple episodes ago, you guys kind of heard about a person that was in our community, our paranormal community, that went cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, which happens a lot, because it's very political. Any kind of group thing is. Anything that's very niche is very political, right? Yes, so for one, the group that we had formed with that person that name was so hard to remember was a cool name, but yes, it was hard to remember so what we're getting at, too, is we don't like to be called ghost hunters anymore, even though we say let's go ghost hunting.
Speaker 1:Like you know, that's just like what we say to each other. But, respectfully, I think we've been doing this in the field for long enough to call ourselves researchers. Right, I mean, we're more researchers? Yes, Because we've grown a lot. Like the first, you know, fun little itches on. Oh, I got an itch. I got an itch, let's go. You know quote unquote ghost hunting it's not, it's more than that now.
Speaker 2:It's finding you know all these properties and these different names. We're looking up, find a grave. We're wanting to do more of the research to connect our evidence.
Speaker 1:Yes to history yes, good way to put it, thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to get at. Thank you, um, you can read my mind, I guess sometimes straight minds think alike.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, so we, we, we changed our group name, um, so we have our first. We're hosting our first paranormal event not our first, I'm sorry at the Crocker House the day after the main event there, the Halloween party. We are actually. They asked us to do the first time ever paranormal anything there, because they're they were not. They liked our group, they liked us helping at the Halloween party, but they were not into paranormal. But, chris, I don't know if you remember me telling you this, so so one of the ladies there is completely like, oh, paranormal is not real. Ok, so last year it was either the next day or two days later, because you know they have to take all that stuff down at the house because they have like tea parties. They do like a bunch of stuff there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, host events.
Speaker 1:She had all these unexplainable things happen there and it literally ran her out. She called up michael. She literally called michael and she was like holy shit, I believe. Um, I guess she's excuse me. I guess she said she wasn't scared, but she felt like. She said she felt like the house came alive and see, we bring the spooky. And now that they, the spirits, are familiar with us, I believe, and everybody last year, I cannot tell you how many people were like can you guys take us paranormal investigating in the house? And I'm like, dude, I wish we had time, there's just no time. So we get the chance. I talked to the director the last couple days and he's like do your thing, bring your people. This is how much it's gonna be and we'll get into details when we um, when it's all set, because I think he's making um like flyers. He's doing stuff, you know, like the marketing stuff. Oh, okay, but I was like, oh, my God, they're going to.
Speaker 2:Let me do paranormal there, so we're only going to have it for three hours.
Speaker 1:Okay, but the house isn't that big, you know, and the basement that was an add-on, so the basement's not original. So if you think about it, it's just the upstairs and the main floor. Okay. So if you think about it, it's just the upstairs and the main floor. Okay. So our group name when we're out doing paranormal anything for locations, like when we're actually invited you know what I mean Like when we're hosting them, Our name is Organity M-S.
Speaker 1:Yep, and that's McComb Paranormal Research Society. Yes, you know I was going to make it Michigan but I figured Because you're still in McComb. No, I like it in McComb, I think it's good and we travel through the states. You know what I mean. But, like, I think for around here getting our foot in the door and helping people, like because a lot of these people have never done it, they don't know how to use the equipment, so we get to teach them. I mean, this is like so exciting.
Speaker 2:This is like our own little L, little Eloise, were you gonna say this? I'm saying it, I can't get it out of my head.
Speaker 1:Me and Carissa used to have so much fucking fun at Eloise. Oh, did we ever?
Speaker 2:We really did. We had the best time. Those were great memories, but I'm excited to make memories at the Cracker House.
Speaker 1:I'm excited just to make new memories. I mean, our hearts will always be with Eloise. Absolutely, there's a lot that has went on If it wasn't for Eloise you would have never met. I don't know. I think somehow our weirdness would have collided and we would have met.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, I agree, we, we would have met, yeah, yeah. So you're right, we are like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, but this is a chance for us to do it right, you know, and no drama, like cause we're actually friends and not just like paranormal people. Like we're actually. We have like a slow group of friendship and we're all getting older and you know, I wish everybody out there the best of luck. Just because I you don't sit at my table anymore, doesn't mean that I'm not rooting for you, like I hope everything goes great. I hope you get everything you desire in life, but also stay the fuck away from what we are trying to build, like we're trying to rebuild everything up from these storms because everything has been against us.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, you know From me being kicked out of my first group to this group and yeah, oh, yeah, same, I mean I went through.
Speaker 1:Your group? Well, it's not my, we're not like, we don't do fucking leaders. Oh god, yeah, oh that one. Oh, jesus christ, you know it was like you would think.
Speaker 2:grown ass people and you know you get a minute, except we all have our own lives and our own personal problems. So when we get a night out of the house, we should not be all gossiping and being mean to each other. We should just be enjoying what our fucking happy is.
Speaker 1:Right, absolutely, and even Chris and I have experienced. You know we've butt heads before on like about the podcast or about this or about that. And here's the thing it's normal Like you're not going to be, like you know cotton candy and fucking rainbows every day. But you can also agree to disagree, and when you learn how to do that and you learn how to work and collab and you know, have all these good things happening. That's what makes a group the strongest. You know what my dad always said, because we always said that we were like the Osbournes growing up. You know we just my mom and I and my dad and my brother we all like spoke our minds. My mom and I and my dad and my brother we all like spoke our minds. And my dad used to say you know, daughter, we might be crazy, but everybody all the best ones are crazy and everybody's crazy. But it's not what you go through with people, it's how you come out of it on the other end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, gallagher, now he's Teddy Gallagher, but anyways, yeah, gallagher, now he's um Teddy Gallagher, but anyways, oh, god bless that man. Um, no, I'm, you know, I feel really good. I, you know, this is you know. And then, like you see Janet Ramsey on um Facebook, you know their, their little woman group, they're so cute that and they seriously they're probably like what, like all in their you know, 40s, 50s to 60s, let's say, and they have like the best, the PPO, I think they were called. They're PPI, ppi. Okay, you know, I know, you have, I think you have Janet Ramsey on your group or on your page. They're friends with Patty and Lance too.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And they, you know, as the years go on and they get older too, they just have so much fucking fun and it's like that is and that's what we strive to be. Yes, like the old, crazy old biddies outside with purple and blonde and silver and shave side, and there are people Right and like, just fucking have fun, like be hippie dippies forever. You know, uh-huh, like, even if I end up having a kid, you know, if it happens the next few years, great. If it doesn't, it's okay. You know you feel the same way about having another one, no matter what.
Speaker 1:Like one thing my husband always tells me. He says look, I want you to continue in the field, I want you to continue doing the things that you love because you have passion for them. Once you lose passion, you got nothing with it. You know what I mean and we all have. This is, this is our fun, this is adventure. But we're also not all about paranormal and murderers and slashers, and you know it's not like you know, sending pictures of blown brains to each other, like I mean. I mean we would Listen. If you're listen, you're an only, you're only real friends. If you talk about poops together, okay, if you're women and you can talk about your poops together. You're real friends.
Speaker 2:I know when you like excessively message me. I know you're real friends. I know when you like excessively message me. I know you're pooping.
Speaker 1:I know Well, you don't message me when you. You take quick poops. Like Paul, I take very quick poops. No, honey, I make life decisions on the pot and in the shower. Life decisions are like what am I making for dinner? What am I Not really at all? Life decisions are like what am I making for dinner? What am I eating?
Speaker 2:Not really at all. I'm an animal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know you and Paul are like such quick poopers, Like how do you poop that fast?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's just done and done, no.
Speaker 2:I like to enjoy my time on the throne. Not me, girl, not me. My fucking ass will go numb.
Speaker 1:I know that's why my legs go numb. Paul said he's gonna get me a lazy. Instead of a lazy boy, it's a lazy girl loveseem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me tell you, this joint is not bad at all is it really really strong?
Speaker 1:no, it's not strong like if I, if I smoke with you next week or whenever we do another podcast, am I?
Speaker 2:gonna die. No, no, this is like just a very good, like buzz that's the kind of, that's the kind of pot I like.
Speaker 1:That's why I like the pens. Yeah, dude, I cannot fucking do. Edibles, even when I was younger like brownies, would take forever to kick in, and then then, when they did, I would be like, oh sweet Jesus, I'm on a whole nother fucking planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there are times that you know me when I get blown out.
Speaker 1:Oh, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:For the most part am I pretty good at high.
Speaker 1:I won't get into detail, dude listen when she's been so blown out and like passes out, like she literally looks like she's dead, like mouth open, like she looks like she's in a morgue like.
Speaker 1:I have fucked with her so bad. I've like stuck my fingers in like her like mouth. I have put like sunglasses on her. I've tickled her nose like I have like no, she like she's dead. Like she's dead dead, like d-e-a-d. Dead. Oh yeah, I'm like I'm a hard sleeper. I'm like girl, don't make me give you cpr. Like are you breathing? And yeah, but then like she does this like weird breathing if she's super high, so that I know she's, she's breathing, she's alive. I'm like she's alive, she'll come back. She's just in a whole nother galaxy. She's in the carissa galaxy. I can't wait to get me super stoned when we start doing our videos.
Speaker 2:No, we're doing Snapchat. Do you know how long it's been since we've done fucking reading? Oh my God, we have the best Snapchats.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I was just watching that one. It came up as a memory when we went to that Indiana place and Tom was about to kick that guy's ass, the one that tried to rip us off. Remember how crazy Tom got and I was like, oh my God, I didn't know Tom had it in him. And then we went outside and she was like she was smoking and she definitely gave me a contact buzz and I started making these snapchats and she was like she was smoking and she definitely gave me a contact buzz and I started making these snapchats and she's like it was like this weird voice and you were like I'm not high, we'll be ghost hunting momentarily. Oh my God, I have the best snaps of us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you do I have the best snaps of us. Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1:I gotta make a whole video on TikTok of her.
Speaker 2:Like, just like ongoing videos, You'll have like part three, just on her old shit.
Speaker 1:Don't even get this bitch started on new kids on the block. Oh my god. I have so many snaps of her oh my, she even has a fucking pillowcase. Do you hump it when guy goes to work?
Speaker 2:tell us no, I don't, but I have to like decide which side of the pillow I want to sleep on. Like, do I want to sleep on Jordan's face or do I want to sleep on Don? Like, do I want to sleep on Jordan's face or do I want to sleep on Donnie, jonathan, you know, like the rest of them, oh my God, how am I going to sit on the pillow tonight?
Speaker 1:What face do I want to sit on? Guy's going to listen to this.
Speaker 2:Ha ha. Oh my God, oh my God, I love it. On my bed right now I sleep.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, oh lord you know, like kids these days are, like you guys are from the 1900s. I'm like fuck you, I will throw you through a window.
Speaker 2:I just watched a TikTok video and it was this guy asking like different men in the army, like what year would you consider people to be old? Like 1985, 1995, anything that starts with 19. I was like, oh my God, they hit my birth year Like oh my God. I was like fuck.
Speaker 1:You know what, though I'm at that age. Here's the fucking thing. It is beautiful to get old, it is a blessing, and you're only as old as you really think. Because, like, if you seriously think about it, like you sit there and be like how old are you now? You're 38?, 39. Oh shit, girl. Yeah, because I just turned 36. I mean like, okay, I'll use me as an example. Do I sit there and look in the mirror and be like so how do I? How does a 36-year-old act and look?
Speaker 2:Like what? No, I know, and I I think about it and I don't feel like I'm 39. I feel like I'm still in my 20s. I mean Like my mind's sharp, I'm witted, I mean my mind's sharp.
Speaker 1:I'm limited. Yeah, I would say it's pretty sharp for the most, until you forget she fucking writes. She writes fucking notes and then forgets about the notes and I'm like, well, you said you just wrote it up, but I did tell her about the TikTok, I sent it to her about Lion's Mane. You've been taking that right, is it working?
Speaker 2:Yes, I feel like it really has been helping.
Speaker 1:Maybe I need to start taking that.
Speaker 2:I don't take the full dose. I think you're supposed to take two capsules a day, but I'm a two-pass so I don't take one a day. But I have no improvement and that makes me really happy, because I was a little worried pre-dementia something.
Speaker 1:I think you got selective remembrance because you still know everything I didn't remember the past so well, but you like asked me what I did yesterday.
Speaker 2:I have no idea or like a conversation I had with somebody or a movie I watched, but like I know it's what the lions mean, like I am remembering more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't really make it to movies awake to watch movies, because you never stayed awake for any fucking movie nights that we had here, asshole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't really make it to movies a lot, but I did go to the movies tonight and I saw a really cute movie with my son. What was it? It was the Wild Robot.
Speaker 1:Was it cute.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was really cute and Jackson liked it. We ended up I didn't even realize that I got it, but I bought the tickets, uh, for the 3D. Oh, cool, so we had to wear the glasses and Jackson was kind of like I don't know if I like this and I'm like suck it up, buttercup oh, jackson, jackson is an old man.
Speaker 1:An old man lives inside of Jackson. Oh, he gets so mad at me and I love, I love, like just pushing his buttons, I love it, I love it to death. Oh, believe me, he gets me right back, he's not?
Speaker 2:short of wittiness? No, and he gets so mad when I laugh at the shit he says. It's like I don't like you laughing at me. I'm like dude, I am not laughing at you, buddy, I'm laughing with you. It's funny. I'm laughing with you. Yeah, like I'm proud of you, buddy, yeah, like I'm proud of you, buddy. And he hates when I laugh. I'm like dude, if only you knew how fucking funny you are.
Speaker 1:He knows it. Yeah, oh Lord. Well, Carissa, I'm very proud of you tonight about your topic.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, I'm glad you liked. Um, we are going to start writing to some of murderers, criminals, whatever possibly I'm the one you're asking, because that's when they bring up some issues that we do need to make sure.
Speaker 1:Yes, paul actually, paul literally was like yeah, you know, you guys need I go, are you going to say a PO box?
Speaker 2:he was like, uh, yeah, and I'm like that's literally what Guy said too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we're going to get a PO box and that's going to start um later in the fall winter, cause you, my dear, are helping me reconstruct the podcasting room oh, oh, am I he, he, he, he, he, oh, he'm going to send you pictures of like the look I want. But I think you're going to like it, Cause I was going to make it like all girly and like fun, like Drew Barrymore studio, but I'm like, oh, that's not fucking me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it's going to be fun in us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it's going to be very, very old, so I'm we're going to save the rest of it for another podcast, but I'm going to tell you but um, all right. Well, thank you for hopping on tonight. I know you got like a million things to do and your little old man son. God love him, in fact, will you.
Speaker 2:Oh no, thank you for having me on. I had so much fun.
Speaker 1:Well, really quick though, talking about Jackson, I love telling this when Carissa sneaks out sometimes so we can go do our paranormal research. And this little old man, he is the cutest little boy ever. He's got the cutest face and like the biggest smile. Jackson is seriously so cute and I think he knows how cute he is. But he'll be like where are you, mama? Get over here, like he'll talk to her from the window. He wants to know where she's going and then when she tells him when he was younger she could get away with saying I'm going to work, I'm going to work with Aunt Melissa, and he'd say you're not going to work. Now he knows and he like calls her out, man, he wants to know, like when she's going to be home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he does. He is going to be a dictator of a small country someday.
Speaker 1:Oh you wait. He's going to end up being your father in a few years, like he's going to be your dad. You're going to have to like answer to him. Oh jeez, no.
Speaker 2:He's going to have you on, you on like a strict time limit. Mother, you said you would be home at two o'clock. Why is it 6 30 in the morning? We are bad shit nuts, and then we get up and go to work, uh when we went on a run thursday, I got home and I went to sleep for an hour and a half and I went straight to work, yep. I feel you, girl, I did it, but it was still worth it.
Speaker 1:I know, hopefully we can do that forever.
Speaker 2:Yes, I would love that, especially when we're retired. Then we'll just go more often. Well, we'll see. If I lived a retirement, let's take it we're gonna be working till the day I fucking die.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's take it one year at a time. All right, thank you guys for tuning in, and we'll be chatting soon.
